When playing a digital source through the digital optical cables(cd or dvd) I sometimes get a very short sound black out. Under one secon. When playing the same source through the analog inputs, no problems. Anybody??

Admiralchuck

Try swapping DVD players to troubleshoot the problem.

With my 3rd generation Toshiba (several years old) I had 1-2 second drop outs on all my digital connections but not using the r/l connections. The drop outs were random.

I swapped DVD players (more recent sub $200 Toshiba) and the problem was solved...and has been for a couple months. I put the other DVD player in another room with regular connection and it now works great, too.

It happens on both the dvd and cd players, two seperate units. The dvd is a technics dvda12n. It is an upper level dvd-audio player. i could understand if it was going on with the cd player(an old crappy technics 5 disc that does the job) but not the dvd.
that can't be the problem and i am not buying new components because the outlaw isn't reading the info properly.
AdmiralChuck

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Admiralchuck

Is this black out at the very beginning of the selection (start of a CD, or when you first enter a menu or other section of a DVD)? When I went from a pro-logic Yamaha receiver to a 1050, I noticed that the audio in some DVD menus didn't start immediately. This is true to a varying degree of any home theater receiver, although the length of the silence will vary. The silence is caused by the receiver trying to identify the incoming format. If the delay is too short, I'm told that you can get undesirable noise (mis-decoded gibberish) coming through before the format lock is completed. With the analog inputs, there's no question what the incoming format is and therefore no trouble.

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I get the same thing sometimes while watching movies through via Dishnetwork...it's like my doctor use to say "you've got a bug"..it does not do it all the time so no big deal.

It happens most often(or most noticibly) when friends are over. Of Course.

Have you tried using the coaxial digital connection instead of the optical connection? I seem to remember a thread on this board not long ago about audio dropouts and there was talk about the Optical 1 input on a bunch of 1050s not working properly. That said, you might also want to switch to the Optical 2 input as a possible way to bypass this issue.

One other thing, you said you're using a DVD-Audio player. Most of those players contain a built-in DD and DTS decoder. If you truly believe the problem exists in the decoding inside of the 1050, you could always buy 6 interconnects, let the player do the decoding, and use the multi-channel ouputs of the player going into your 1050 using the 5.1 direct inputs. This would bypass all decoding inside of the 1050.

I use the cd player on optical 1. The dvd player on optical 2. Same problem on both inputs. When using the analog inputs on either player(that of course includes the 6 discrete inputs for dvd-audio) the problem does not happen. Outlaw seems to think that it is either a heat problem or a bad processor. They would like me to try ventilating the amp better. If that doesn't work, back it goes.
In terms of the coax cable, i tried in the beginning but found no discernable sound difference and didn't think it was worth the extra $$. It should work fine with the optical and I shouldn't have to bypass anything.

Do you mean it still had the same "black outs" with the coaxial cable? In terms of cost, I currently use a Radio Shack "Gold" coax cable that cost me all of $14. It works very nicely in my arrangement.

I didn't neccesarily suggest the bypass as a permanent solution. It was more for the idea of trouble shooting where the "black outs" are coming from. If you didn't experience them using this set-up, then you would know that you have a problem inside the 1050 and you would have to send it back to Outlaw.

didn't have the coax cable long enough to know. i'll try giving the unit more airflow as suggested by outlaw, but i have a feeling it will go back. it's been doing this for a long time but is now starting to annoy me. using the dvd players built in decoders works great(in fact, i thimnk they sound better than the outlaw's) but that leaves me with the cd player still. even though i should just use the dvd b/c it sounds way better than the cd, the cd is a five disc and is quite useful for that reason.
i really appreciate everybody's input.

AdmiralChuck

I had audio drop outs for the first time while playing SIMONE on my Panasonc RP56. This is the only DVD to have an audio drop out.
I played the DVD on my laptop pc without a problem.
I played another DVD (Usual Suspects) on the 1050/RP56 with out a problem.
I switched from OPT 1 to OPT 2 and still had the problem.

The one interesting symptom I am checking into is: the 1050 DOWN MIX Indicator is illuminated with the SIMONE DVD and not the USUAL SUSPECTS DVD??? Both the DOWN MIX mix and DIGITAL Indicators blink off during the audio drop out. Drop out lasts for about one second and occurs fairly regularly at 80 seconds intervals. Is this a problem with the 96 kHz digital stream? I am going to see if I have other DVDs running with the higher data rate.

I tried turning on the Rear Center speaker and the drop out went away...

You realize DVD-Audio isn't going to pass through the digital link, yes?

yes, I do. There is never a problem when uning the dvd player in the direct mode on the Outlaw.
Outlaw is replacing the unit for me. I spoke to Scott a number of times and he suspects a problem with the processor engine. Since this problem started, it has gotten a lot worse. Now, it has trouble catching and holding a signal through the optical inputs in any of the dsp modes. using the analog inputs all works perfectly, so I know it is not my cd or dvd player.
Side note; just ordered an ICBM and am awaiting its arrival. I think I have more or less kicked the butt of my center speaker with the dvd-audio.

There was an issue with the 1050 in 5.1 mode and some badly formed data streams, I'm not sure exactly what it was 'cause it never impacted me - I use it in 6.1 mode.

If the problem persists try switching into 6.1 and see what happens.

Sounds like Simone (which is listed as having a Dolby EX soundtrack, according to Amazon.com) has the same flag bug seen on Jurassic Park III, Pearl Harbor, and Atlantis -- in those cases as well, it was possible for 1050 owners to avoid the problem by turning on their rear center speaker but not use the Surround 6.1 mode.

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