AzRyan & MixFixJ,

If you want to having a pissing contest, please take it outside.

I'm hear to learn about Outlaws products & about other customers. I'm not here to watch two egos come to virtual blows. If I want that, I'll just wander on over to another well known HT site.

I shall now return to Lurker Mode. Thank you,

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pat----

email: pat@sklenar.info ---===--- home page: Grumpy's Lair

Thank you, psklenar, I couldn't have said it better.

Ditto psklenar.

You are all correct. I apologize. Won't happen again.
Mix

MixFixJ,

Thank you. I (and apparently others) appreciate it.

Now ... where the heck is my copy of this darn magazine!?!? Argh! I know it's a free subscription, but still ... does it have to get to me so darn late? {sigh}


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pat----

email: pat@sklenar.info ---===--- home page: Grumpy's Lair

Pat, I haven't gotten my issue of S&V yet either but this morning a friend faxed me a copy of the review. No where in the review does the reviewer say anything about noise. No where does he say anything negative at all about how the 950 sounds.

In fact, he notes:

He ends the review by saying:

So, this noise/hiss issue has me stumped? Apparently, if the 950 that S&V reviewed had the noise/hiss problem it wasn't audible to the reviewer???

The mystery continues...

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Take Care,
merc

The hiss problem seems to be heavily dependent on configuration & environment -- nearby radio transmitters, unshielded PCs, ground loops, whatever. some people hear an unacceptable amount of hiss, some people don't seem to hear any. It's quite possible that the S&V reviewer tested his unit in a very clean environment and heard no hiss. I can hear hiss if I press my ear against my speaker cover fabric; from more than an inch away I hear nothing. To me this is not unacceptable.

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Matthew J. Hill
matt@idsi.net

Merc- I haven't seen the article yet (dang post office! ), but my impression is that the comment about the high noise level is in the measurements box that typically accompanies the text of the review.

At my request, a friend sent me a copy of that portion of the review. Here's the actual quote:


Hmmm ... doesn't sound like he heard any hiss or had any problem with it. Is 4dB higher than a "theoretical ideal" really that bad? What products attain the "theoretical ideal"?

My friend included a couple of other quotes he thought I might like:


I'm looking forward to receiving my copy of the magazine so I can see the whole review. But based on what my friend typed in and sent me, it sounds like S&V liked the 950 and didn't suffer from the hiss that's bedeviling some of our fellow 950 owners.


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pat----

email: pat@sklenar.info ---===--- home page: Grumpy's Lair

Matthew - You said "I can hear hiss if I press my ear against my speaker cover fabric; from more than an inch away I hear nothing. To me this is not unacceptable."

Question - At what volumn level are you at here? On mine, up to about -15 to -12, on all analog sources, I'm same "ear to grill".
At -11 to -05 its about 6 inches +. At 00 to +10, its more. At +10, I hear hiss from 10+ feet. This is with any analog source selected, but with no movie/music playing.

Am I consistant with you + others. Or are you "ear to grill" or no more than an inch away even with volumn at 00 to +10.

On digital inputs, things even at +10 seem about normal. Also, at no time do I ever hear hiss during soft passages of a movie or music. This seems like an important point in discussing this issue vs the 1066 initial hiss, as my understanding is that users heard it during playback, which as Al Gore would say "Thats just wrong"!