This should really post to news and pics. And is old news really. But for those impatient's hanging on by fingertips.
Why do so many CES reviewers give Outlaw a line? There are a million budget/mid value systems they could mention in passing. Why are they intrigued enough to give Outlaw a mention among highlighted 10K component booths. Outlaw just seems to pop out all over the web. I ran into article where again Outlaw got a pic. (Nov. 2001 article, about "Almost everything...about Surround-Sound") and the more intresting (Dec. 2001 article, "Update on 6.1 ...(1st paragraph)"
I knew the 950 was delaying to add this capability. I did not realize that Outlaw was the 1ST product with that designation. Again Outlaw being innovativly flexable whilst in a pricepoint. Just food for thought. Does Dolby Digital care about who gets first designation as 'long as the cash is in hand'; or are they concerned about quality standards for co's they license to? I have no idea.
Oh Bother; have not learned how to link: Go to www.hometheatersound.com click top of page on "Features" tab. 1st feature that opens on features page is "Cinema Cynergy" section with current article of ..Basic cabling...
on "basic cabling" article scroll to bottom of page "Archived Ariticles" to find Dec. 2001 and Nov 2001 articles mentioned above.

Congrats on the new unit. Was it the 49Tx? If so how much and where di you get it, that is if you don't mind me asking.
I have a few months to buy and am debating the Denon AVR-5803, the Pioneer VSX-49Tx or the Outlaw 950/770 setup.
Any words would be appreciated.
Mike
:-)

OK boys & girls in Outlaw land. It appears that I ruffled some feathers out there. But, before you come out flaming me again.....read what I said without filling in between the lines. My angst is centered upon the Outlaws deafening silence...NOT in there delay in releasing their new 950!

I too am sick and tired of the Microsoft's of the world prematurly releasing merchandise before bugs are worked out. If they don't have a few bugs worked out, then GREAT! Wait until it's ready before you ship...by all means. The last thing I want to do is buy something else that doesn't live up to the hype.

My gripe is that they obviously are aware that many folks out here (as evidenced by 100's of postings) that are getting antsy. And the longer they go without giving some type of update or news flash, people will continue to speculate. My guess is if they had some good news, they would have already updated their constituency.

Let's face it, they regularly posted news updates over the past 6 months...until now. Outlaw, by design, is an "Internet Only" organization. It is the Outlaws themselves who have established this "norm" of updating their fans via the news site. And from what I understand, this here forum was established, and is moderated by themas well. So, they have provided me this platform to voice my questions and concerns.

Hey guys....it's nothing personal here. So don't whack-out flamin' me. I just want to know, from them, if this 950 is going to come out in some reasonable time-frame, or are there issues that will indefinitely delay the production and release of the 950. If so, hey I can take it. Just let me know something.

dsmith,
Glad to hear it's not personal! Just wondering- have you called or emailed the Outlaws? If you REALLY want answers to your questions, it probably would be best to ask them directly- wouldn't you think? I'll bet they will be responsive. Good luck!

I'll put in my two cents. The only crime the Outlaws commited was being too gracious to their current and future customers by letting them know what was coming down the pipe. The Outlaws could have kept their mouths shut and not said a thing until CES and we all would have been happy purchasing the 1050 until the announcement for the 950 came at CES. Then we'd all be bitching about how those Rat B@st@rds had screwed us.

No the Outlaws let us know in advance so that those wishing for a higher end unit could still get the Outlaw value if they were patient.

So if being honest and forthright and up front about current and future products being released is a crime. Yes, the Outlaws are guilty as charged and outlaws I wouldn't mind harboring

Outlaw has tried to be forthcoming and honest with us in the past and has paid dearly for that honesty on the forums. I hope that they now operate just like the other manufacturers and not say a word until the units are totally out of beta and ready to ship.

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Take Care,
merc

For those of you with short memories, i would like to remind you that Outlaw has been promising a pre/pro since end of '99. Yes, the last century. They should have announced a realistic availability date in the first place rather than almost 3 years of delays. And every announcement hinted that it would be forthcoming in 3-4 months. Hopefully Outlaw has learned an enormous lesson from the pre/pro debacle. So please have a little understanding when a poster expresses his/her frustration with the 950.

Well, I've only been waiting for it since late September / early October 2001... that's when I decided to go with separates and picked the 950/750 (which I later changed my mind to be 950/770), so I haven't been waiting for too long yet. I feel sorry for those of you who have been waiting for it since its original announcement, or putting off purchases since then.

Welcome to the forum, munster. I hate to disagree with someone I've just met, but I believe you are being unfair. Yes, they began investigating a pre/pro in 1999, and they made what may be considered a mistake in telling us about it when they were still so early in the design phase that the specs changed almost daily. According to the April 20, 2000 newsletter, though, the technology available at that time wasn't capable of providing everything that they felt belonged in an Outlaw pre/pro, so they scrapped the plans for a unit that would have appeared in Spring 2000. They had two pre/pros then in development, but they had just started design of them -- I've looked at schematic designs for something as "simple" as a building's air-conditioning system and then looked at the final product and laughed myself silly at how different the two were, because design (especially good, conscientious design) is a flexible process. Their initial goal of a pre/pro based on the 1050 in Spring 2000 evolved into something a lot larger (the 950 shares pretty much nothing but the heavy faceplate and green button of the 1050), and they chose later that year to suspend the hi-end pre/pro until the industry settled on some developing standards (digital connection of DVD-Audio and SACD, for example). In fact, if you look at the description of the "high-end" pre/pro in the April 2000 newsletter, you'll find yourself looking at specs that are essentially the Model 950. They could have spit out some re-hash of the 1050 and sold it 18 months ago, but they didn't want to. Instead they have worked very hard to develop the best product possible. And I would suspect that they told us those projected availability dates honestly believing that they would get there; manufacturing problems, software incompabilities, and development of new technologies can really screw with completing the design of something like this. I'm afraid the Outlaws have learned something from the Model 950 -- that mentioning products that haven't reached beta testing yet is an invitation for a lot of static from online forums. I have seen some forums where small groups or even individuals spent a great deal of time and energy trying to vilify Outlaw because the 950 is late -- the same people who would likely have complained about a quick re-hash of the 1050 as a pre/pro in 2000 and the Model 950 as a $1500 "high-end" pre/pro today. Rock, meet hard place.

I apologize if this lengthy reply appears hostile, as it is meant only to point out why frustrated posters may not always find much understanding. Do I understand the frustration of someone eagerly awaiting the arrival of a Model 950? Yep, I'm on the reservation list myself. Do I think that frustration is reason to condemn the Outlaws for trying to be totally open with consumers? No, I believe that to be counter-productive and unfair to the people trying as hard as they can to get innovative and affordable products to market as fast as they can.

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Gonk

Besideswich, all will be foregiven once the 950 ships. They'll have loads of money rolling in and we'll have our pre/pros, and all will be happy.