I gotta ad something else... I just came from my son's and he has the Outlaw hooked up to a pair of Athena ASF2 Floorstanding speakers and a Athena AS-P 4000. Now he tried something I didn't. He is running the F2's through the Athena via low level, speaker terminals and by passing the sub out and bass management all together and all I can say is WOW! Truly amazing to say the least. I have been a person over the years that really believed that the name game and price paid made the difference but that is far from true. I have learned in the past 5 or so years that todays equiptment like Outlaw, NAD, Oppo, Athena are truly fine components and at a very good price. You no longer need to spend a arm & a leg to get a really great sounding system. I can't wait to hear the Athena LS-500's.