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#27622 - 02/12/05 05:04 PM Crossover scam
Joel Offline
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Registered: 02/12/05
Posts: 8
Loc: Fishkill, NY
One one the main reason for I chose the 950 is that I thought it can have seperate crossover frequencys for the different speakers groups. That allows me to use take advantage of the subwoofer for my front speakers that only need sub enanhancemnet at the very bottom end. Now that I tried to set it up, I come to find that this is a lot on nonsence. The xover will change the high pass filter to the speaker alright but the low pass frequency to the sub stays fixed the whatever the setting for the front speakers are. So, for example, if I have the fronts set at 40Hz and the surrounds set at 80Hz, I have a giant hole from the subwoofer the the surrounds between 40 and 80! This really sucks. Whats annoys me more is that Outlaw does not mention this anywhere in thier docs allowing folks to believe that you can really use multiple crossover points!!

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#27623 - 02/12/05 08:05 PM Re: Crossover scam
JulioCat Offline
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Registered: 06/15/01
Posts: 51
Loc: Chilpancingo, Gro. Mexico
Joel, i think you don't understand how the 950 handle the subwoofer signal, when you set the low cut frecuency for a speaker group all the frecuencies from that point are routed to the subwoofer, so threre's no giant hole in the low frecuencies if you have different low pass settings for each speaker group.

In every case the subwoofer handles the .1 signal if present in the source, tha signal it's routed to the subwoofer no matter what setting you have for the crossovers, except if you don't have a subwoofer at all, in that case the .1 signal is routed to the main speakers.
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#27624 - 02/12/05 09:07 PM Re: Crossover scam
Sound Killer Offline
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Registered: 04/05/04
Posts: 128
Dear Mr. Joel

Just use large. That's big boys style.

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#27625 - 02/12/05 11:21 PM Re: Crossover scam
JT Clark Offline
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Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 466
Loc: IL
Quote:
Originally posted by Joel:
So, for example, if I have the fronts set at 40Hz and the surrounds set at 80Hz, I have a giant hole from the subwoofer the the surrounds between 40 and 80!
I think many would like to know how you came to this conclusion.

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#27626 - 02/13/05 01:37 AM Re: Crossover scam
Joel Offline
Deputy Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/05
Posts: 8
Loc: Fishkill, NY
JulioCat,

First let me say that I'm know that the entire ".1" channel (LFE) is routed to the sub and that's not what I was talking about.

Most importantly, I also know that frequencys below the xover point of each group SHOULD be routed to the subwoofer. What I am saying is that it really is NOT. While there may be multile crossover frequencys set, and every speaker DOES get the correct low cutoff point, the high cutoff for the SUB is at only ONE frequency (which happens to be the freq you set for the front channels).

Mr. Sound Killer,
Not all of us have main speakers that are flat to 20Hz - do you "Big Boys"?

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#27627 - 02/13/05 03:43 AM Re: Crossover scam
Sound Killer Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/05/04
Posts: 128
Yes, indeed. Bigger than you thought.

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#27628 - 02/13/05 03:51 AM Re: Crossover scam
Sound Killer Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/05/04
Posts: 128
Also, please read the included manual carefully and precisely before you whining about people’s product is a scam.

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#27629 - 02/13/05 04:06 AM Re: Crossover scam
Kevin C Brown Offline
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Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 1054
Loc: Santa Clara, CA
First, it's in this forum somewhere that the LFE signal is low passed at 120 Hz to the sub.

Second, Joel- How did you test to come to the conclusion that you did? Not too long after the 950 came out, Outlaw indeed stated that the crossover worked as it's supposed to: for each speaker (group), the info above the crossover setting for that group is sent to the speaker itself, and below, to the sub. Not a global low pass.
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#27630 - 02/13/05 04:20 AM Re: Crossover scam
Sound Killer Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/05/04
Posts: 128
Suggestion for Mr. Joel- Spend a day or two learning how crossover works would be very helpful.

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#27631 - 02/13/05 10:05 AM Re: Crossover scam
Joel Offline
Deputy Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/05
Posts: 8
Loc: Fishkill, NY
Mr. Sound killer,
I did read the manual.
What page/paragraph in the manual proves me wrong? Also, please tell what part of what I said is technically incorrect to make you conclude there is a void in my knowledge on crossovers?

Kevin C. Brown,
I tested it using pink noise form the Avia HT test disk, the TrueRTA (spectrum analyzer) application on an IBM P3 laptop and a calabration microphone (can't recall brand).

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