#26720 - 11/14/04 03:15 PM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Desperado
Registered: 03/20/03
Posts: 668
Loc: Maryland
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While the various philosophies of use applied to interconnects and speaker cable have been bantered about the campfire here quite a bit, I had a similar question that I asked of Outlaw before I made my first Outlaw equipment purchase. I asked which they thought was better, mono amps at near each speaker (long interconnects, short speaker cable) or all amplification near the pre/pro (short interconnects, long speaker cable). Their answer was the latter. I think the reasoning is that electromagnetic interference, if present, would work its evil more easily on long interconnects than on long speaker cables. This would seem to bode well with regard to your intention of keeping most of the electronics in the closet intended for them. Extra thought: will heat build up in the closet? As far as speaker cable goes, many people are trying many things, my personal philosophy runs toward the technically verifiable. As a result, I would go for cable that is permissible in-wall, if you are running cable in-wall, and which will have a maximum round-trip resistance of 5% of the loudspeaker impedance, less than half that if such cable would be reasonable. Assuming 6-ohm nominal speakers, 5% resistance would be 0.3 ohms. Going 50 ft. out and back with 14-gauge copper yields 0.297 ohms, 12-gauge 0.187 ohms and 10-gauge 0.118 ohms. Less than 50 ft. would mean even fewer ohms. Speakers with higher ohm ratings could use lighter gauge wire, 4-ohm speakers would require slightly lower gauge wire. Perhaps, with the equipment at the rear of your room, you would use the heavier gauge for your fronts and center, lighter gauge for your surrounds/rear. Because the lighter gauge would run a shorter distance, the nearby speakers would see no more cable resistance than the more distant speakers. You could also use heavy not-so-flexible wiring inside the walls and more flexible and attractive cable between walls and equipment or speakers. If you would like to read more on speaker cable ‘honesty,’ you might try these sites: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#gordongow http://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/wire_resistance.html - discusses skin effect near the end of the page. http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm
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#26721 - 11/14/04 06:40 PM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 51
Loc: Madison, WI, US
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Originally posted by bossobass: I just passed 2 years with my 950.
I never listen to CDs, so I'm no help there.
I listen to DVD-A/SAVD and DTS CD MC discs through the 6 CH bypass using the 950's 80 Hz analog BM.
I run the SW out to a dedicated redirected bass subwoofer system and run the SW out of my player directly to a dedicated LFE sub system.
I watch DVDs in bypass mode also, except for the few EX/ES discs I own and rent, during which I use the 950 for decoding and sending to a 6.2 system.
The analog BM in bypass mode is extremely accurate and very clean. I don't have issues with digital delay because all 6 satellites are the same distance to the LP.
The 950 has always done exactly as advertised, right out of the box, and I'm very happy with the purchase, and will remain so until I hear someone else's set up that is a leap forward for the money.
I've said this many times and will repeat it here...with the purchase comes this forum, Scott and the gang, and the Mighty Gonk (not to mention a bunch more very cool folks who pop in frequently). If there is a problem, you barely blink and solutions are on the table...for 5 years after purchase.
That's worth a lot more than any review I've read ever mentions. Good luck finding that with Onk and the others (I tried that route before I purchased the 950, so I know 1st hand what a drag lack of service and help, tips, etc. can be).
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#26722 - 11/17/04 02:25 AM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 51
Loc: Madison, WI, US
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Wow, that'll teach me to screw up a post and not check it for several days..... I was trying to echo this sentiment... "I've said this many times and will repeat it here...with the purchase comes this forum, Scott and the gang, and the Mighty Gonk (not to mention a bunch more very cool folks who pop in frequently). If there is a problem, you barely blink and solutions are on the table...for 5 years after purchase. That's worth a lot more than any review I've read ever mentions. Good luck finding that with Onk and the others (I tried that route before I purchased the 950, so I know 1st hand what a drag lack of service and help, tips, etc. can be). " By all rights I should be one of the Outlaws biggest detractors. I'm on my fourth 950. The first three had various issues that can only be described as statistical anamolies as far as I can tell. The third one was replaced with no questions asked even though it was 6 months since the last replacement (well past the 30 day return period). Technically they didn't have to do what they did, but they did what was right without even flinching. Try that with a major electronics company! We all agree that the product is a hands down deal regarding the sonic attributes compared to higher priced stuff. Take that and combine it with the service this company provides and I say you don't have anything to loose.
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#26723 - 11/17/04 10:35 AM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Desperado
Registered: 03/20/03
Posts: 668
Loc: Maryland
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I think that if another 950 experiences trouble in aej09's setup, it's time to install about 250K worth of test gear and track every possible electromagnetic signal that might exist in his environment. I also think aej09 has earned an award for perseverance!
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#26725 - 11/22/04 09:34 AM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/09/04
Posts: 99
Loc: Boston. MA
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Like others, I was hesitant to pull the trigger on the 950, but since I did (about 8 months ago along w/ a 7100), I could not be more satisfied. I've never had trouble assigning the digital inputs, no detectable hiss whatsoever, the slow digital lock is only noticeable when changing SD-HD TV stations (and I can live with 1-2 sec delay). In fact, the only problems I've had is when my inner idiot comes out. It has all the flexibilty I need (and then some), and the sound is exquisite. The 950 is one piece of equipment that certainly lives up to its rep. And the information, assistance and plain old knowledge (without attitude) found in this forum is not duplicated anywhere else. When you add it all up and factor in the price, the 950 is a steal.
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#26726 - 11/22/04 09:54 AM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/13/03
Posts: 19
Loc: Mobile, Al US
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Does anyone suppose the replacement for the 950 will have *DVI* switching? I read a lot of requests for component switching...
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#26727 - 11/22/04 09:58 AM
Re: What would you tell a prospective 950 buyer?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/13/03
Posts: 19
Loc: Mobile, Al US
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Oops...I forgot to thank you, bestbang, for the cable links and comments. I'd visited Roger Russell's site previously, but the last link was good also. And re heat in the closet - minor problem, but I turn off electronics when not in use and have a small fan on the floor to circulate air when they're on.
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