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#26057 - 06/11/04 05:31 PM I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
tbng Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 23
Loc: Red Lion PA USA
I purchased a 950 to replace my wonderful but increasingly obsolete Lexicon MC-1. The 950 looked like a steal, but, alas, again I learn that there is no free lunch (or cheap grub, in this case). If you're primarily interested in video and/or pop music reproduction, you would be nuts to spend more than the cost of a 950, but I must advise against it for anyone who listens to acoustic music performed in a hall environment. The 950 simply ignores this aspect of musical reproduction. I'm not talking DSP here as in "hall," "jazz club," etc., but the DSP that allows you to frequency contour and delay the surrounds and control steering within Dolby processing to recreate a good ambient experience. In short, do what Lexicon does. I was also disappointed that the 950 does not permit separate speaker distance calibration for surrounds and rear speakers and limits you to 1db level adjustments. Neither does it pass OSD through its component outputs, not that in its native state it has many parameters to view. It's good. It's just not good enough for me.

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#26058 - 06/11/04 05:47 PM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
michaelstano Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 11/22/02
Posts: 75
Loc: Stillwater, OK USA
And, your point is, what? That those of us who bought and enjoy the 950 are not smart, or less astute than you, or . . . .?

Thanks for sharing.
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Outlaw 950
Parasound HCA 1000Ax3
Klipsch KG 3.2s frt & rr
Klipsch KV 3 ctr
Klipsch KV 2 surr ctr
SVS PB2
Sony CDP-CX355 CD
MonsterPower HTS2500MkII
Mitsubishi DD 8020 DVD
Mitsubishi 46" 16:9 TV

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#26059 - 06/11/04 06:44 PM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
Jed M Offline
Desperado

Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 526
Loc: Home on the range
I am not a big fan of the 950's musical performance either but I am surprised you find the MC-1 as more musical. Lexicon is almost exclusively thought of as a HT processor. I have yet to hear anybody recommend a sub 3K Lexicon for music abilities. Just goes to show how everybody hears differently.

[This message has been edited by Jed M (edited June 11, 2004).]

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#26060 - 06/11/04 07:17 PM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
Jeff Mackwood Offline
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Registered: 12/19/02
Posts: 427
So why did you not download and read the 950's owner's manual before buying it, to determine whether or not it had the capabilities / features that you were looking for? None of your points / findings would have come as a surprise to you had you done so. Would you buy a Lexicon product (or any other for that matter) without doing some basic research in order to make an educated decision to buy - or not?

Jeff Mackwood

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#26061 - 06/11/04 07:23 PM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
Oil Can Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/05/02
Posts: 138
Loc: Shelbyville, KY, USA
Are you kidding? I think we need to spend a little time getting our head back on the straight. To expect the Outlaw 950 to have all of the features of the Lexicon MC-1 is wishful thinking, at best. With all of the information available online how could you possibly confuse the two. I think you should have spent some quality time with the 950 manual (available online me thinks) before you pulled the trigger on the 950. If you wanted to upgrade you should have bought the Lexicon MC-8 of course it costs approximately six times as much as the Outlaw 950, but what the hell. The Outlaw 950 is a fantastic piece of home theater gear, at a great price, but it’s not a Lexicon MC-1, or MC-8.

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#26062 - 06/11/04 07:33 PM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
michaelstano Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 11/22/02
Posts: 75
Loc: Stillwater, OK USA
How about reading posts on this forum, or asking questions, or looking at Gonk's great comparison chart?

No. This guy joins the forum today, and posts once, to trash the 950.

Perhaps he was merely trying to stir things up.

Understanding the psychology of posting negative, "I wouldn't buy it" comments on a forum devoted to a product and its users escapes me.

This thread should be allowed to die, and I am sorry to prolong its existance.

[This message has been edited by michaelstano (edited June 11, 2004).]
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Michael Stano

Outlaw 950
Parasound HCA 1000Ax3
Klipsch KG 3.2s frt & rr
Klipsch KV 3 ctr
Klipsch KV 2 surr ctr
SVS PB2
Sony CDP-CX355 CD
MonsterPower HTS2500MkII
Mitsubishi DD 8020 DVD
Mitsubishi 46" 16:9 TV

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#26063 - 06/11/04 08:33 PM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
testtone Offline
Deputy Gunslinger

Registered: 05/26/04
Posts: 12
Loc: hawaii, usa
i'm not a 950 nor a lexicon mc-1 owner. however, i wouldn't spend on something i know a little (or nothing?) about.
there must be a hidden motive for ordering, buying, and sending the unit back. whatever it is, it doesn't sound good.

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#26064 - 06/12/04 12:59 AM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
DNicely1 Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 134
Loc: Lincoln Park, Mi USA
Completely unrealistic expectations of a processor at this price period. I'm not sure what you mean by acoustic music in a hall setting but I listen to acoustic music and have no problem with the way it sounds. in fact I'm pretty damn happy with it.No it is not the best I have heard but for the money and not a dedicated "audiophile" system it is more than good.I don't think anyone has a problem with you saying it does not suit your tastes but you are comparing it to something three times as much. did you even take more than a day to try to calibrate it? everyone has there opinions and I really don't care if you hate this product or not but don't compare apples to oranges....just my opinion
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#26065 - 06/12/04 01:26 AM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
soundhound Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
It's completely lame to order something like this over the internet and not even bother to RTFM to determine the capabilities and limitations, especially when it's available on-line. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Now excuse me while I order some Viagra from a company I got some spam email from....

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#26066 - 06/12/04 09:03 AM Re: I ordered, I bought, I sent it back
Lasher Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 07/29/03
Posts: 191
Loc: Oak Ridge TN.
I find it strange that he said there is no speaker delay setting. I had to set the distance on my speakers when I set my 950/7100 up. I don't think he even read the manual when he recieved the 950(if he ever really bought one)or he would have noticed that it does control delay time. I guess it just did not give him the sound he wanted from his Bose speakers

Lasher

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