a good website is always nice.

Outlaw's philosophy seems to be to not have their senior sales people participate on the public forums, and to have this web site which includes the Saloon. Sherwood Newcastle on the other hand seems to be of the opinion that having one of their own senior sales/marketing people working the audio forums, is a good thing. Maybe in time Sherwood's web site may improve. And maybe in time a sales/marketing person from Outlaw may work the public forums. This internet sales industry is evolving and the Outlaws are always at the forefront!

Will

I've done some digging through two manuals (the P-965 manual that Garrett kindly provided and the Denon 3805), just to satisfy my curiousity. In both cases, the only OSD that is available via component video is the setup menu - OSD overlays are not available. There is an exception (and it appears to apply to both units): s-video and composite video inputs viewed from the component monitor output will retain the overlay. This makes sense, as the overlay is added to the signals before they are converted to component. This also fits Shawnb16's findings, as I would expect the upconversion to component to be at 480i.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this. In fact, I'd worry more if they were overlaying OSD data on a component video input.

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So for the other 260 million customers out there that may look to the PRODUCTS website vs. some forum, they're just SOL. Marketing studies show that customers will almost always do some sort of research via the manufacturers website before making a purchase. Every other reputable manufacturer I can think of has a fully functioning website.......I consider this to be a minimum standard. Outlaw's site always works just fine....just like their products.

harp, I agree. I'm sure some folks would be turned off by that. Back in 99 when I was looking for an amp., Anthem had the same problem. I called customer service and they gave me the name of a few dealers. Not many back then.

gonk, you are correct. that is what my unit does. i could have said that yesterday, but i thought the guy was saying it wouldnt show hd or progressive scan from component at all, silly me. their is no osd overlay when watching high quality signals, only when watching lower ones converted up. osd is pretty useless except for at setup, so i think its a good idea to take it off instead of degrade the signal.

One advantage the 950 has over the Sherwood is the 950 has separate crossovers for the center, front and surround speakers. The Sherwood has a global crossover, as I understand it. But...

DPL IIx is superior to Cirrus surround. Cirrus surround adds one just mono channel of sound in the rear not a stereo pair. Also as I understand it, the side surround in Cirrus surround are not modified when the rear surrounds are added. But with DPL IIx, the sides are modified to take account of the rear surrounds.

hey gonk, you're the man with that chart! good work, I'm facing west and saluting.