#22114 - 08/12/05 03:39 PM
Denon AVR-3805 and Outlaw 755 ?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 08/12/05
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Loc: Canada
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I currently have the following set-up: Denon AVR-3805 2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains 2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds 1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center 1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub I'm looking at adding the Outlaw 755 5 x 200Watt amp, has anyone made a similar upgrade and if so was it worth it ? what improvements did you notice (if any). Also I will be shipping to Canada, any experiences with that and how did it go ? Thanks for your time
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Another Guy From Canada Outlaw 990 Preamp/Processor Outlaw 755 Amplifier 2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains 2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds 1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center 1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub
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#22115 - 08/12/05 07:14 PM
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Desperado
Registered: 07/03/05
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So you'd be using the 3805 just as a pre-amp? Or were you going to ditch it entirely and get a pre/processor with the 755?
The 3805 has a decent sound. For most folks, it's a stunning performer at its price point. I auditioned one recently (along with Arcam and some Classe gear) and found it to be adequate. However, it doesn't provide the same dynamics I get from the 755. Denon claims 120wpc, but it felt a bit anemic to me on the low end. Outsourcing the amp duty to the 755 would be a definite upgrade in the sound.
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#22116 - 08/12/05 09:28 PM
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Gunslinger
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Thanks for the response Ritz, yes I would be using the 3805 as a Pre/Pro only, one of the reasons I'm a little reluctant to buy another Amp is because it does perform so well. I figure about 107 Watts per Channel with 5 Channels driven so it's pretty good. However I'm working towards a System that's going to be around for a long time and I have a bit of Cash left after selling my Motorcylce so I'm trying to determine if the additional Amp (200 Watts per Channel x 5)would pay dividends in Sound Quality... a tough call so I'm try to research the heck out of this before I make a decision
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Another Guy From Canada Outlaw 990 Preamp/Processor Outlaw 755 Amplifier 2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains 2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds 1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center 1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub
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#22117 - 08/12/05 11:14 PM
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Any higher-end dedicated 5-channel amp would probably be an improvement in the sound. The 755 sounds pretty darned good for the money. It wouldn't be my first choice for 2-channel duty, but I haven't heard anything remotely close to it's price that sounds as good for 5 channels at those power levels.
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#22118 - 08/14/05 10:52 PM
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Desperado
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i use the 3805 with amps and i prefer it over the denon amplification by itself. not to say it sucked without separate amps, but they do make an improvement.
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#22119 - 08/16/05 08:33 AM
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Desperado
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Yeah, that's the "problem" with the receiver approach. They've got to make compromises somewhere or (a) it won't fit in the box or (b) it becomes prohibitively expensive or (c) both. 8-) Unfortunately, for receivers, it seems that the amp is the sacrificial lamb.
Those Denon receivers (and the cheaper Arcams) sound great though (as pre-amps/processors). The jury is still out for me whether the 990 sounds better/worse, but I'm inclined to say it's equivalent...which means it sounds pretty darned good.
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#22120 - 08/26/05 11:25 PM
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Gunslinger
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Well, it's done, the 755 really helped the Denon AVR-3805 in Multi Channel Music (5 Speakers) particularily as you crank it up. For two Channel the Denon seemed fine but started to strain a tiny bit pushing all my speakers. So far I'm very pleased with the Outlaw 755.
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Another Guy From Canada Outlaw 990 Preamp/Processor Outlaw 755 Amplifier 2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains 2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds 1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center 1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub
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#22121 - 09/01/05 01:01 PM
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Gunslinger
Registered: 05/18/05
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Loc: Jackson MI
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Snarl, I have the 3805 with the 770 amp. I have not had the opportunity to do an A/B with and with out the amp for anything other than 2 channel music. I will say, I did not hear all that much of a difference in the mids and highs, but bass has definitely improved. It seems to be much more pronounced with the added amp. I also expect the 770 to be an improvement over the 3805 when running more than just two speakers like in 5.1 or 6.1 surround. Once I have my theater complete, an A/B comparison will be one of the first things I play with and I will post my findings in the 770 forum.
Craig
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#22122 - 09/01/05 06:36 PM
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Gunslinger
Registered: 08/12/05
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Craig, I think you'll be pleased with the improvement when pushing 5 Speakers. The Denon is an excellent unit all by itself, no doubt of that, but driving 5 Channels (I use a 60Hz Crossover) I found it strained a bit at higher volume. The 755 gave it an effortless sound with 5 Channel, one way to explain it is that 5 Channel with the Outlaw sounded like 2 Channel with the Denon. I beleive on 2 Channel the Denon 3805 will put out 120-130 WPC however at 5 Channel that drops to about 80-85 WPC. Thats still lots of power but with a steady 200 WPC with the outlaw thats over double, easily audible. So far I am very pleased with the Outlaw 755 purchase. You can expect 200 WPC accross all 7 Channels, you'll notice a difference for sure.
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Another Guy From Canada Outlaw 990 Preamp/Processor Outlaw 755 Amplifier 2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains 2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds 1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center 1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub
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#22123 - 11/18/05 12:29 PM
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/31/04
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Loc: Bartlesville, OK USA
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that Denon is not even in the same league as the 755, not even the same ballpark, hell not even the same sport !! but seriously, you should notice a huge improvement with the 755
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