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#21247 - 01/26/04 12:01 PM Open Range
Spiker Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 05/29/03
Posts: 297
Loc: Middle Earth
What a fitting movie to be talked about among saloon full of gunslingers. Since this is an audio company chat room, I’ll focus on the audio aspect of it. BTW, it is well made movie and was very entertaining to watch.

In this movie, the sound of gunshots were intentionally made louder as explained by Kevin Costner (directed as well) in “Audio Commentary” feature of DVD. Not only they are loud but I’ve noticed they are very crisp and punchy as well. It really spiced up the scene. At times, it made me jumpy. I personally don’t care whether those were authentic sound of gunshots or not since it was close enough. The key is that they were nicely balanced IMO. Not too lean or thick, if I may use those terminologies.

Fellas, if you haven’t, go get one or rent one. One caution though, playing that shootout scene too many times may put a lot of stress on your speakers. I’ve heard similar sound when the preamp gets turned off prematurely. If you know what I mean.

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#21248 - 01/26/04 01:57 PM Re: Open Range
boblinds Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/07/03
Posts: 242
Loc: Los Angeles
As Soundhound will tell you, few of the sounds effects used in film are authentic reproductions. They are usually heavily processed sounds intended to generate a heightened reality. Most gun shots, brake squealings, and, of course, fist punches in movies are bigger than real life.

If only I didn't have to watch a Kevin Costner movie to hear the demo, tho...

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#21249 - 01/26/04 05:34 PM Re: Open Range
soundhound Offline
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Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
Quote:
Originally posted by boblinds:
As Soundhound will tell you, few of the sounds effects used in film are authentic reproductions. ...


That sounds like something soundhound would say......

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#21250 - 01/26/04 06:22 PM Re: Open Range
Jeff Aguilar Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 27
Loc: Olympia, WA USA
I just watched this movie this past weekend and it was incredible.

Some of the gunshot scenes were incredible! It really added to the movie. Watching Kevin Costner shoot the guy who was holding the girl hostage was incredible.

Another scene in that movie where I thought the sound was incredible was near the beggining of the movie when the thunder and lighting started. When the downpour started coming down I really felt like I was outside.

What a great sounding movie.

Jeff

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#21251 - 01/26/04 07:44 PM Re: Open Range
soundhound Offline
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Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
Even gunshots in movies that sound "like the real thing" are compostites and have been manipulated in various ways to "make them sound real". If any of you have actually tried recording gunshots (I've recorded thousands of them in addition to howitzers, machine guns, bombs exploding etc etc), it is next to impossible to capture the true sound of a gun firing by simply sticking a microphone nearby and pressing "record". The dynamic range for starters is simply too wide, and if you reduce the level to accommodate the loudness, the gunshot ends up sounding like a cap pistol. Generally movie gunshots are compostite layers that are recorded at different distances and perspectives, compressed to a degree, equalized and sometimes have other sounds layered on top of the gunshot like ricochets to make the gun sound "meaner". The sounds of bullets whizzing by are made by actually firing at a micorphone downrange, sometimes to the detriment of the microphone if it gets hit by a stray bullet.

Nothing is what it seems in movie sound.

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#21252 - 01/26/04 11:06 PM Re: Open Range
Jeff Mackwood Offline
Desperado

Registered: 12/19/02
Posts: 427
Soundhound,

Since you mentionned howitzers etc...

You gotta try recording the sound that a chicken cannon (ie. bird gun; ie. flight impact facility) makes. Talk about low end oomphh!

Basically you compress lots of air, load the projectile (ie dead bird - thawed of course) and hit the firing button. Oh yeah. Don't forget to open several windows in the building and to firmly clasp your hands over your protective ear muffs / ear plugs. The pressure wave is enough to restart a stopped heart! Too late for the chicken (or geese up to 12 pounds) though! They're too busy heading towards the leading edge of a wing, or windshield, to notice.

Check out http://iar-ira.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/smpl_8.html.

I've been present during several firings (of both bird gun and howitzers) and the bird gun wins hands down every time for auditory (and sub-auditory) stimulation.

Jeff Mackwood
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Jeff Mackwood

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#21253 - 01/27/04 07:49 PM Re: Open Range
alphanstein Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 01/27/03
Posts: 116
Loc: San Diego, CA
I saw this last weekend and while I know the gunshots are not real, the mix was really cool. I especially liked how when there was close in gun fire, the sound and bass reflected such versus distant shots. I watched the movie and then watched a gun shot scenes a couple of extra times to listen to the mix. Pretty kewl!

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#21254 - 01/31/04 08:02 AM Re: Open Range
Wayne Charlton Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 203
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#21255 - 01/31/04 11:10 AM Re: Open Range
soundhound Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
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Originally posted by Wayne Charlton:
boblinds and everyone,

Let us not forget WaterWorld! (or, rather, let us FORGET WaterWorld!!) The Postman? (Good grief!) Robin Hood: Prince Of Theives? (someone please shoot me!)



We cannot forget Costner's "performance" in "Thirteen Days"....

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#21256 - 01/31/04 02:11 PM Re: Open Range
boblinds Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/07/03
Posts: 242
Loc: Los Angeles
I feel that Costner really hit his peak with "Sizzle Beach USA."

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