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#18568 - 07/21/09 08:46 PM Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 278
Loc: Outside Phila.
Can anyone recommend a cost-efficient power conditioner that only needs to protect the equipment listed under my 2ch stuff?
I'm mainly concerned with the lights dimming with the cycling of air conditioning, and the pop I get out of my sub when a window A/C unit in my listening room gets turned on/off. I was wondering if you thought the conditioner would stop that from happening as well. I would think it woudl be using caps to help prevent surges or dips but I could be dead wrong.

I was thinking Belkin PureAV line, but wanted to make sure I wasn't going overkill since I'm not protecting a "home theater" - just the NAD, the Pioneer, and my sub (for now laugh )
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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#18569 - 07/21/09 09:02 PM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
ndskurfer Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 120
Loc: Bismarck, ND
No recommendation or solution, but thought I would add my experience from my panamax filter/powerstrip (m10-ht-pro) on my 2 channel set up:

I thought I would no longer get the thump in the sub when I turn my ceiling fan on/off in the living room, the strip did not stop this.

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#18570 - 07/22/09 12:25 AM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
gunslinger Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 11/23/08
Posts: 72
Loc: Spring Lake, Michigan
I currently have a panamax power conditioner thinking it would also stop the thumping noise every time a flourecent light turned on and off, but it did not work. Once I upgraded to a shorter outlaw sub cable from a diomondback audioquest cable that was about 10 feet to long, and I also ugraded from a 1050 to a 970. I am pretty sure it is the new shorter cable that fixed the problem.
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Marantz SR57012,Panamax Power Conditioner, Rega P2 Turntable, Fronts - B&W 684 S3's, Center - B&W LCR600 S3, Surrounds - PSB Alpha, SVS SB4000 Sub woofer, LG 55" 4K LED Screen., SVS Speaker Cable.

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#18571 - 07/22/09 12:29 AM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
gunslinger Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 11/23/08
Posts: 72
Loc: Spring Lake, Michigan
By the way how do you like those B&W 685's I have a pair for my mains and love them. I upgraded from the B&W 601 S3's, which are now my mains.
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Marantz SR57012,Panamax Power Conditioner, Rega P2 Turntable, Fronts - B&W 684 S3's, Center - B&W LCR600 S3, Surrounds - PSB Alpha, SVS SB4000 Sub woofer, LG 55" 4K LED Screen., SVS Speaker Cable.

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#18572 - 07/22/09 02:02 AM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
XenonMan Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
APC H-15 does the job nicely but I get a thump too. The tump comes from the 990 not from powering it on a off. The H-15 will sense a problem and turn everything off for a few minutes until it senses stable voltage. It won't turn the equipment back on just supply power back to it for you to start it up again. I can count at least 4 times it has saved my setup. After one storm I had the only HT left between me and my two closest neighbors. I got 2 from Audioholics a while back for < $100 each. It protects my stuff from the lightning storms we get down here. I can't imagine not having them.
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Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#18573 - 07/22/09 03:05 AM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
gonk Offline
Desperado

Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
I've used both Panamax and Belkin, but you could even look at a TrippLite surge protector.

Hard for me to say about the pop when the window unit kicks on. There's a pretty substantial inrush current for compressors that could be causing a dip in current to the sub, in which case I suspect you'd need something like a UPS to really eliminate it.
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#18574 - 07/22/09 01:14 PM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 278
Loc: Outside Phila.
Thanks for your feedback everyone.

I note that I get the pop both when the window A/C unit is turned on and many times when it's turned off. I wonder what a UPS has in its internals that a good power conditioner doesn't? I also value a good power conditioner. My Panamax in my home theater deserves substantial credit. About one year ago I was having a new septic system put in and my excavator clipped my underground power lines causing a massive surge throughout my whole house. It killed several outlets, killed the compressor on my fridge, and killed an APC surge protector (which saved my JL sub) and no-name surge protector that saved my home PC. The Panamax though, lives on, along with all the equipment that was protected by it smile But the experience definitely made the point with me.

Gunslinger, I couldn't be happier with the 685's. I'm sure I'll get the bug to upgrade to the 7's or 8's at some point. Having heard the 805's a couple times, I know what I'm missing, but the price difference is substantial to say the least. I'd like to pick up a power conditioner, some better speaker stands, improved interconnects, and maybe a nicer rack for my equipment. But the setup sounds great. I have managed to get the 685's at a pretty good position.

They're a little tall right now - about 31" - a limitation of the only stands I own. And those stands are a little on the cheap side - (telescoping, probably in the sub $100 range, a little flimsy). They also don't hide the speaker wire and that gets at my a-retentive side of my brain. But in terms of position, I was able to get the speakers positioned in such a way that I have formed almost a perfect equilateral triangle to my listening position, about 8.5 feet all sides. All in all, quite happy!
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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#18575 - 07/22/09 01:39 PM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
gonk Offline
Desperado

Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
A UPS has a battery - provides power even when the power is removed or dips severely. If the problem is a big dip in current caused by the compressor, a power conditioner can't do much about it.
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HT Basics | HDMI FAQ | Pics | Remote Files | Art Show
Reviews: Index | 990 | speakers | BDP-93

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#18576 - 07/22/09 02:11 PM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 278
Loc: Outside Phila.
Thanks Gonk - didn't realize the battery comes into play for that scenario. Only thought it came into play when the power was lost completely.
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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#18577 - 07/22/09 09:55 PM Re: Power conditioning for 2 channel setup
sluggo Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/19/05
Posts: 361
Loc: Plano, TX
Are you making your HT share a circuit with your A/C unit? Sounds like your rig is simply trying to tell you to feed it better juice wink
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