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#18353 - 06/18/09 12:51 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
AvFan Offline
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Help me out ...I don't see a 6/11 firmware version on Oppo's web site.
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#18354 - 06/18/09 01:34 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
ndskurfer Offline
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It's listed under "Public Beta Test Version", just under "Latest Firmware" on their "Support" page.

My audio appears to be fixed. I have a problem with color inversion almost every time I fire it up still, they are working on this for a future firmware upgrade. Something is not communicating the the "color space" on my tv still.

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#18355 - 06/18/09 02:25 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
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#18356 - 06/20/09 04:20 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
Kubrickfan Offline
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Registered: 05/15/07
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Loc: So. Calif
I just unboxed my BDP-83 last night and everything seems to working as promised, thank you Oppo. One unpromised item that I loved in my old Oppo 980H was the excellent multi-channel matrix it would create from stereo source material (when using the analog outputs of course). This wasn't simply 5/7 channel stereo but a wonderful matrix that would separate good stereo source music through the entire surround speaker system. This matrix effect brought much better life to those stereo only SACDs and CDs (for my taste). I'll be a little disappointed if I need to leave the 980H connected (in some future configuration) just to enhance the stereo listening pleasure. I'll be calling Oppo support but I'm curious if any Outlaw my have a recommendation on a setup change I might be missing on the BDP-83?
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#18357 - 06/20/09 05:45 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
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First, try turning Pro Logic II on. Second, OPPO has told me that they plan to implement a matrix steering logic similar to what the 980H used to expand 5.1 to 7.1 but that they are waiting to get more core functionality thoroughly stable first.
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#18358 - 06/20/09 09:17 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
Kubrickfan Offline
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Good suggestion Gonk but I have the Oppo Pro Logic II "ON", thinking the same as you. I'll report back on what Cust. Service says but this may be a deal breaker for me. If I need to keep the 980H connected (that would handle all my SACD/DVD-Audio/CD requirements) then I can purchase a much cheaper Blu-ray only solution. Still early yet and maybe this is on the Oppo wish list. I have my doubts since 2.0 to 5.1/7.1 was undocumented on the 980H too.
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#18359 - 06/20/09 10:23 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
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A few things to keep in mind since you are using a Model 950:

You will want a Blu-ray player with onboard decoding of the new formats and 7.1 analog output. That limits how much cheaper you can go with a Blu-ray player. Any such player will also evict the 980H from the multichannel analog connection, thus eliminating your ability to play DVD-A and SACD.

You will need Pro Logic II turned on to expand 2.0 sources to 5.1.

There are still very few players that will expand 5.1 to 7.1 via analog output. I've mentioned this to OPPO several times during beta testing and I do expect them to implement something similar to the 980H's steering logic with the BDP-83.

If you really want full 7.1 analog right now, you could set the BDP-83 to 5.1 downmix and split the side surround outputs to feed both side and back surround inputs on the 950.

Waitaminute: You have a Model 950, right? (Going by your sig, it appears that you do.) The 950 only has a 5.1 analog input, so the 5.1-to-7.1 steering logic couldn't be used anyway. Am I misunderstanding how you were using the 980H and the Model 950? Or has the 950 been replaced by something with a 7.1 analog input (like the Model 970 or 990)?
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#18360 - 06/21/09 02:33 AM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
Kubrickfan Offline
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Loc: So. Calif
Maybe I confused you, sorry, yes I still operate the 950 and only have a maximum capacity of 5.1 through the analog inputs. My question is getting the BDP-83 to take stereo (2 channel source material) and matrix it into the 5.1 channels as my 980H does. Even with the the Oppo Pro Logic II turned on I still get no rear activity with stereo source material whatsoever. Does your BDP-83 work differently and provide rear activity during stereo source material? I do have the 5.1 downmix activated as well.

As a side note, I watched the new Return to Forever Live Blu-ray that sounded (and looked) no less then incredible! The lossless formats do make a stunning difference.
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#18361 - 06/21/09 02:51 AM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
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I have left Pro Logic II disabled for so long now that I don't recall what results I had with it last, and I certainly have no experience with current firmware behavior. Definitely talk to OPPO about the situation, as the only difference in audio processing I am aware of between the BDP-83 and 980H relates to how it supports expanding 5.1 to 7.1. Both use Pro Logic II for expanding 2.0 to 5.1.
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#18362 - 06/22/09 06:11 PM Re: OPPO Digital BDP-83 Blu-ray player - EAP and beyond
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Registered: 05/15/07
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Loc: So. Calif
Follow-up after my call to Oppo Cust. Ser. on the BDP-83 offering the same 2.0 to 5.1 matrix sound as my Oppo 980H. Short answer is no, the BDP-83 won't do 2.0 to 5.1 matrix. The 2.0 to 5.1 matrix is a hardware bug in the 980H they haven't been able to eliminate (much to my liking). I guess I should have know this because the only way to engage this 2.0 to 5.1 matrix in the 980H is to enter set-up after any power off and bounce from 5.1 downmix to 7.1 downmix and then back to 5.1 downmix. After doing this process, all stereo sources filled the surround speakers with what I consider an excellent (while artificial) matrix surround processing. The Pro Logic II setup option in the BDP-83 is only there to activate sources already encoded with Pro Logic II.

The drawback for me is my 950 does not allow any signal processing of the analog inputs so SACD Stereo sources can't have Dolby Pro Logic or DTS-NEO processing implemented. On CDs, that allow digital input, the 950 surround processing is available. I just love the Oppo audio processing on stereo sources and had used it over the 950 processing for CDs.

On another note, the BDP-83 is incredible for doing everything it is 'documented' to do. Folks won't believe this but I have to downmix all video to 480i for my old 3 CRT projector to process. I do see an improvement in the picture quality of both Blu-ray and standard def. source material. Future upgrades 1st)1080P Display 2nd) 997 (and then BDP-83 through HDMI and 980H through analog inputs. Seems overkill on Oppos but I love the 980H stereo 'bug' especially on the Stones and Kinks SACD catalogs).
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