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#16418 - 12/29/06 05:04 PM Bi-Amping Worth it or not?
Luvthekeys Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 23
Loc: Placida, Florida
I am about to upgrade my gear. Currently I am using a Outlaw 755 with a Pioneer 811 receiver as a pre-pro. The plan at the moment is to buy a 990 to replace the Pioneer. However I am not sure if I want to buy two outlaw mono 200 watt amps to add to the 755 and just have a 7.1 system or buy a 7125 and bi-amp my two front Mirage OM-9s using four of the outputs from the 755. I would also bi-amp the Center Channel speaker a Mirage OM-C2 using two of the outputs from the 7125. The rest of the outpus of the 7125 would power the remaining speakers. The OM-9s and the OM C-2 have jumpers between the four terminal posts. According to Mirage removing the jumpers also seperates the two crossovers in the speaker allowing bi-amping. My questions are, Is this really bi-amping or is a seperate crossover a must? Also will the benefits be worth the expense? Of course I understand each person has a opinion and I welcome all.

Thank you and Happy New Year, LTK

P.S. Is there any use for my ICBM once I have the 990?

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#16419 - 12/29/06 11:00 PM Re: Bi-Amping Worth it or not?
bestbang4thebuck Offline
Desperado

Registered: 03/20/03
Posts: 668
Loc: Maryland
Bi-Amping: Driving your main L&R speakers in stereo mode only, try them both with and without bi-amping using your present amplifier. Be very careful to listen both ways at "identical" levels as measured at your listening position, not just by volume setting – SPL meter required. Playing back slightly hotter in one of the modes may prejudice your judgment in favor of the 'hotter' mode.

Separating the two sections of the crossover into one section that passes lows and rejects highs while the other section does the opposite and bi-amping (not bi-wiring) would only remove any interaction between the two crossover sections. If ‘harmful’ interaction is minimal, likely you’ll gain little. Unless you have the proper active crossover network to place ahead of the amplification and remove the passive crossovers entirely from the signal path, passive crossover foibles will still be a part of your listening system regardless of whether or not you bi-amp.

If your speakers, with their built-in passive crossovers, and your driving amplifier are all of very good quality, I’m guessing that ‘passive bi-amping’ will not do much for you. But you can try the test above before you buy more amplification. Who knows, it might yield quite a change for the better, or change that is different but not necessarily better, or no seeming change at all.

ICBM: Unless you need it for ‘stereo’ subs (not the same as dual mono subs), the ICBM is likely no longer needed in conjunction with the 990 - with one exception. The ICBM would still come in handy for one or more mono subs if you are running a multi-channel source that has no bass managment in analog mode to the 990 in bypass mode in such a way that the 990's bass management, analog and/or digital, is also bypassed. One might do this to obtain analog bass managment with crossover points selectable at other than 80Hz. (Many believe that stereo subs provide no real benefit, and I think this true most of the time for movies and music where the stereo effect or multi-channel sound placement is created in the mixing board rather than ‘aural imaging’ that is captured ‘live’ by microphone placement. I tried stereo subs, thought I heard some difference on live recordings that were ‘minimalist, purist, stereo’ and ‘minimalist, purist, multi-channel,’ so I’ve kept my stereo sub setup.)

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#16420 - 12/30/06 02:03 PM Re: Bi-Amping Worth it or not?
Luvthekeys Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 23
Loc: Placida, Florida
bestbang4thebuck,

Thank you for your advice. It will help me decide on how best to upgrade my system. Happy New Year and again thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

Peace, LTK

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