#16168 - 08/19/06 11:18 AM
40 Ft too long?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/21/06
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I need to run about 40 Ft of cable to my surround speakers. Is that going to cause any delay problems?
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#16170 - 08/19/06 12:26 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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The length of a speaker cable run does not impact delay. What is important is that the cable be sized appropriately for the power anticipated at the speaker and for the length of the run. The longer the run the greater the diameter the wire needs to be. For a 40 foot speaker cable I'd recommend at least 14 gauge speaker wire or 12 gauge (gauge is inverse of wire diameter) if your speaker terminals can handle that size. While there is much debate over the effect of wires on the sound of the speaker IMO a good quality wire of the appropriate gauge is more than sufficient. In my case, I'm using 14ga in-wall wire from Cables To Go with maximum runs to my surrounds of about 30 feet. I have 4ohm speakers and a 300w/channel amp and the speakers sound fine.
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#16171 - 08/19/06 12:55 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/21/06
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Alright, so where is the cheapest place to pick up some white 12 gauge?
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#16173 - 08/19/06 02:54 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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I bought 12 ga in 100' spools from Totalsignal.com . Same wire as from rat-shack. A lot less expensive. Very happy with it, the shipping, service, quality. Sounds great. Not white. It's not listed on his website, so you would have to send an email linked from his contact us page. He also has other cables
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#16174 - 08/19/06 04:00 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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You can get 100 feet of 12ga in-wall wire with a white jacket for $80 from CablestoGo.com. The white jacket has printing on it (to identify it) unfortunately I was not able to remove the printing with acetone or mineral spirits. If the you don't mind the printing it is good cable. They have 250 and 500 spools too.
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#16175 - 08/19/06 05:27 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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If you need white, AvFan has a source. I think my clear 12 ga (see above) cost me $30 or maybe $35 with shipping...but nowhere near $85
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#16177 - 08/20/06 05:40 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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The insulation should have CL stamped on it for in wall installation. Jim
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#16178 - 08/20/06 06:12 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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Registered: 04/19/05
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You can find some pretty cheap inwall cable at Parts Express , in a few different gauges & conductor counts.
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#16179 - 08/23/06 04:26 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/21/06
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I made my order from www.bluejeanscable.com and had some of the White jacket, 10 AWG two days later.
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#16180 - 08/27/06 10:30 PM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/14/06
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I did Blue Jeans 10 AWG white too - 50 feet for my back speakers. At 40 cents a foot plus very reasonable shipping I think it's a very nice value for money. The only thing I don't really care for is the faint blue sentence describing the cable printed on it, but you really don't notice from a few feet away and only 8 feet of cable is visible in my home anyway. Blue Jeans cable has a twist to it that I'm told creates self-shielding, but I can't comment on the science behind that. For information on choosing gauge for a particular cable length, and other speaker cable points, have a look at: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
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#16181 - 08/28/06 12:10 AM
Re: 40 Ft too long?
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Registered: 09/12/05
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Loc: El Cajon, California
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kjl,
Thanks for the link to the Roger Russell site. His chart that showed which gauge to use based upon length and speaker resistance is very helpful. I appreciated his no-nonsense discussion on speaker cable performance and how speaker cable sales have been largely based on marketing. Other types of cables get the same hype. It irks me when I walk into a retail store and see the flashy packaging and the cables corresponding high price. I think a lot of consumers that don't, or can't, research cable's performance get ripped off. The other day I was in Radio Shack and saw a 6 foot HDMI cable for $120!! I already had one at home from a reputable online company for $16 that works great. What a racket.
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