What really counts is that you are happy, and that you are paying for the pizza this friday LOL!

Luckily you have around 25 days or so to return the Denon if you still don't like it. I can't wait to hear how the Denon sounds on your Rockets/Outlaw system.

I would classify myself as one who likes darker sounding speakers punctuated with detail. As we were talking about before, any opinion I make about your system is soley based off of my system (which does sound quite a bit different)- and quite frankly, I'm biased in my opinion .

You suffer from engineeringitis (which I do too): Gather as many data points as you can on your system and then formulate an opinion based off of that data LOL!

Cheers buddy,

Nert

Truthfully, I'm anxious for Nert to listen to it..since he has a Denon already, and is use to it's sound. I'm use to the Pioneer sound (having used it for two years). I swear there is something missing though...I am not getting the detail from this player that I got from the Pioneer. Since those that have heard my system think it's missing high end anyway...then I am really in trouble with this player..if I don't find out what the problem might be. I am thinking there will be some retuning on Friday...

I'll buy the pizza Nert..if you buy my brew for me!

OK, beer is on me! Or maybe, if I work it out we can talk Eberhardt into bringing it LOL!

edit: Eberhardt can't make it friday - but Bob Albert wants to check out your system as well as mine (I think you know him?!? ).

Nert & Incog,

I would be happy to demo the same Outlaw setup as Incog's (with the exception of ICBM, SACD & DVD-A)to you and any of your fellow Wichita enthusiast freinds, who may wish to compare the different sound from different speaker set-ups, coming from the same Outlaw equipment. Sunday is my always free day, so just let me know!

Neo,

Check your email!

Bob is a co-worker guy who has put up with me talking about my "home theater" pretty much everyday for a year now (as long as he has been sitting right next to me LOL). He finally has made plans (thanks to his gracious wife) of being able to come over and give my setup a lil' spin (which, if you can make it friday around 3:00pm, let me know NEO!). Bob really isn't much of an audio enthusiast yet....hehe...YET! I'll fix him up real good! After spinning my system, we are heading off to Incog's for a bit (which, from talking to him tonight - he is extremly elated that he figured out what the problem was with his Denon, and now he is happy with it).

Edit....I was happy with it....but I noticed that hte setting I changed...actually didn't do much of anything. I think that I just wanted it to sound better...LOL!!! But, when I put in a movie...my bass is missing (very low at least)...so, I'm back to trying to figure this darn thing out.

Can anyone elaborate on the Denon setup...specifically what I switched was the "Direct Source" setting to "Yes". It sounded like that caused the denon to bypass any internal bass management (cross overs) and send a full signal to the speakers (through my ICBM). However, I already had the speakers set to Large when the Direct Source was set to "No". So...I think it was my imagination that things sounded better. However, like I said, when I put in U571 last night...I couldn't feel the depth charges like I could with my Pioneer. Do you have to turn Direct Source back off for movies (meaning it's not just for analog sources)?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks all...

Oh..if anyone is every in the Wichita area...please feel free to spot by for pizza and brews and some music listening..

When watching movies, are you using the digital audio output or the six channel analog? If it is the digital output, the Denon shouldn't be doing anything to the bass (since it should just be passing the data from the disc to the 950), whereas if it is the six channel analog output then you could be dealing with different bass management settings upstream of the ICBM than you had before. I get the impression that you are using the digital output (which is what I do), but that shouldn't yield a change like what you are describing.

I was using the digital connection for the movie. Ya know...when I play an SACD or DVD-A, the front of the denon displays "P.PCM", which from the manual means "Packed PCM". When using analog connections..is everything PCM? I never actually knew what that was, and thought I was never using it on my Pioneer, but it never had anything that told you it was being used on the display. If you have a little time...what is PCM and should it be getting used for SACD playback and such?

Wow!!! Unbelieveable! I had a chance to demo INCOGS system w the Denon 2910 vs his Pioneer 563A tonight. Bear, Incog and I pretty much spent around 4 hours putting the Denon and Pio through some listening (NOT VIDEO!!!) tests on his Rockets. Listening test were movies, SACD and DVD audio.

I just got back from listening to his system and I would agree, the Denon 2910 sounds a lot more brighter than his Pioneer. NOW, to me, it seems that the Denon is much brighter than the Pioneer, and this can probably be due to the way that the Pio downcoverts the SACD/DVD-A signal(?!?). It was much easier (on the ears) to listen to the the Pioneer at "ROCK ON BABY" levels (+100db) than it was the Denon in *Incog's Room*. HOWEVER, based off of my observations tonight, in Incog's room, with his particular setup, my best opinion is that if you prefer to listen at lower levels (85db or lower), the Denon 2910 is much better, because the Pioneer seems to be a little muted on the higher frequencies.

Cheers,
Nert

Does anyone know if any of the other (newer) Pioneer Universal Players sound better than the subject one? I realize this is a subjective question...but I read somewhere that my player compresses the signal or something...which might be why the high end is lost. We learned tonight it's not the speakers...that Denon can be ear-pearcing at high levels. The Pioneer is quite niec at VERY loud volumes.