Check out this link:

http://www.onkyousa.com/article_top.cfm?id=23

I agree.

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Corey
music heals

Thenotsonewguy I just had a dream were the 1050A came to life,with dolby EX,component video,and dolby pro2.for sale next month at a m.s.r.p. of 599.00.orders are being taken now. BUT THEN I WOKE UP!!!!!!!OPPPS!!!IT WAS JUST A DREAM. euro95

A shame, it is. Dream, true, but not a pipe dream.

This is exactly what I've been talking about in a different post on this forum. I believe the 1050's "Value" is slipping. The larger companies are playing some serious catch-up right now and in some cases are surpassing the 1050's features at close to the same price point. The new Onkyo is going to have similar power (probably still less than the 1050 even though it is listed at 80 wpc)and variable cross overs, plus DTS ES, DD EX, AND component video switching at an MSRP of $530. This easily puts its street price at the same $499 as the 1050. It really makes the decision to purchase from Outlaw difficult. The arguement may be that the Outlaw is better built, but how could I tell? I will be able to walk down to my Hi-Fi shop and check out the Onkyo, but not the Outlaw.

If Outlaw did come out with a successor with the added features (even without the component video switching since I think that's a little over-kill in this price range) for under $600, I think I would buy it. Actually I know I would buy it. For now I'm going to sit on the fence for a couple of months and see what happens.

The truth is, though, the Outlaws probably won't upgrade it as long as it is still selling well. It doesn't make business sense to. That unit is basically gravy for them right now.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to see an improved version, though. It IS getting a bit long in the tooth.

The 1050 is competing quite well as is. It is the champ in SOUND QUALITY if not in features and flashy appearence.

Stereophile Guide to Home Theater (March/April Issue) 2002 Recommended Components includes two Outlaw products. The $499. Outlaw 1050. The other recommended A/V Receivers were $2400- $3800 (5 to 7 X it’s price!). The Outlaw 750 ($1099.) Amp was also a recommended component and higher rated amps started at $3395 and went up to $10,000.

Can these new receivers with extra features one may or may not use match the qulity of sound from the 1050? That's what is most important to me.

Sure I would like DPLII but I am not willing to trade sound quality or pay a lot of money for this feature.

I agree. Bad DPL II is NOT better than good DPL.

Wow, hope we can change p/w's on here...

Well, this is very interesting. I've owned my onkyo 575 for over 4 years. It's developed a problem. It has a hard time comming on but if you hit the power on off several times it will usually wake up ... Then it works fine. Anyway...

I really like the 575 reciever, it's built really well, I have really pushed this reciever a lot with mostly HT stuff. I got infinity refrence speakers all the way around and a sunfire 1000Watt Amp driving a 15" JBL sub. At only 65 WPC I fill that the onkyo does a really good job driving my infinity speakers. The effects on the onkyo are really good. And I acutally came here to REPLACE my onkyo because I heard all the good things about outlaw. I really want to get the 750 but spending 1K on an AMP and then another 500 - 700 for the processor is a bit much for me ...

Well, I spent around 400 for the onkyo, and the only thing I don't like about it ... other then it is acting up now ... You can hear a slight *Hissing* noise when you turn the volume up above 65. I doubt the outlaw has this problem.


I am not sure what the warranty is on the outlaw but the onkyo has a 3 year warranty. Even tho, my unit is becoming defective I still satasfied on how it has performed and what I got out of it for the past 4 years.

Funny that I read this post because I've read all the reviews about this reciever and all of them say that the onkyo has a better processor in it. So, I might as well wait for the new onkyo's to pop up on the market... Sheesh, and just when I was about to purchase this unit too!!! Now they are out of stock. I will wait for the new Onkyo... Anyone else with thought or comments?

It would be really nice to get some feedback to anyone that had time with both units.

If I was you ericlp I would what for the 600. It will have both Dolby ES, DTS ES and plus it has DPL2

I saw it the first day the press release came out on Onkyo's website. I cannot lie I was not happy about seeing it, you see I brought an 595 less than a month before Onkyo did the press release. I would have taken my 595 back but then that would mean I would have to go back to my old Kenwood AR404 until April and that was something I was not prepared to do. However I think I will what until June or July when I know the store I brought the 595 from is out of stock and only has the 600's in. Then I have a feeling something bad might happen to my 595 and since it is still covered by warranty they will have to give me a new one if the unit is un repairable and then I will have my Onkyo 600.

In regard to the new Onkyo 600 in my mind their is only one thing missing. I wish the Onkyo 600 had preamp outs so you can send a signal to a separate power amp. Also this is the replacement for the 595 and I have also saw another new Onkyo model that is the replace the 494, so do you think Onkyo will be replacing their whole line of receivers soon? It makes no real point to pay extra money for an Onkyo 696 where the only difference is that the 696 has preamp outs and the 696 only has DD and dts.

Thanks for reading,

Chris

I'm curious as to why you keep posting your Onkyo questions here? I understand you debated the Outlaw 1050 and then decided for the Onkyo. You would probably be better served at an Onkyo forum. As for subs they are a lot of sub diy forums; that's where I go with my questions on subs.

MCH,

Good point and I wholeheartily agree.

MCH,


I'm assuming from one of TNSNG first posts, he purchased his Onkyo around the same time he 'discovered' Outlaw. He's new to this, and has already caught the upgrade bug and is commendably making plans for his future purchases and learning as he goes.

Great site here to find out from happy Outlaw owners, (who've had time to upgrade around) how things stack up. Good leads you gave him, as complimentary resoures to have site specific questions answered.

Oh I'm sorry, I keep forgetting this is no audioreview. I'm used to the audioreview site where you can almost ask any question.

To tell the truth Smart Little Lena I have been upgrading for while now. First receiver I had was a Kenwood AR404, then an Onkyo TX-8511 and now I have the Onkyo TX-DS595. I have to agree with MCH I don't really like it here anyway. It is to bias around here if you know what I mean.

I will be the first to admit that a bias in favor of Outlaw gear exists here, for an obvious reason. One thing that we all should remember when getting other people's opinions is who we are asking. Go to a Denon-oriented thread at Home Theater Forum, as you will likely hear a great deal of praise for Denon -- but it will be coming from people who shopped around and settled on Denon as their preferred equipment. Thenotsonewguy, you shopped around and have found a great deal of success with Onkyo gear, since your last two receivers have both been Onkyo. I have a co-worker (who will be demo'ing my 1050 once I get the 950) with a 10+ year old Yamaha receiver and CD player paired with some Polk monitors who swears by Yamaha and Polk, even though he hasn't looked closely at their company's product line in over a decade. Are those biases? Sure they are, and there's nothing wrong with them. As this is a forum provided by Outlaw Audio, it is predominantly populated by people who shopped around and settled on Outlaw as their preference (along with people who are considering Outlaw, of course). You will not find a lot of regulars here who prefer Yamaha receivers, or Denon, or Onkyo, or Sony. The regulars are Outlaw buyers, and they obviously preferred Outlaw's product.

We are also generally proud of this forum -- I don't see Denon or Onkyo or Yamaha paying the hosting fees and such to provide their consumers with a free online forum. The regulars around here are typically very happy to share their experience with Outlaw gear in particular and home theater in general. That extends beyond receivers or pre/pros or amps or interconnects to things like speakers -- a subject that this forum has provided a great deal of information on. From what I've read, Thenotsonewguy has asked for and received some excellent feedback on subwoofers in recent weeks, from some people with a great deal of knowledge on the subject (such as Charlie's information on DIY speakers and subwoofers, and I think it's pretty clear that Charlie has some experience in that field). You will be hard pressed to find a more civil forum online (the logo thread being perhaps something of an exception...).

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Gonk

Hey Thenotsonewguy,

Sorry!, I meant “new to this” really more, as in Outlaw, not gear. Remember, I’m the one with the clock radio at your age (16), Had to wait till the parents were gone & go crank their system for anything decent, and if I got caught! Boy you’d think playing a little rock & roll would RUIN a system forever after, for Opera and the Herb Albert Teijuana Band. Actually I think it was where I left the volume knob, (forgot to hide that evidence) that got him the most!
I recall your stating, how you had heck telling friends why in your personal opinion, other choices were better than Bose.

I bet your a pipeline of info. to lots of younger guys out there, just starting to make a lifetime of audio purchases - to sites like this.

You, (and everyone else here) is light years beyond me, (I’m still in the playpen)
On ‘You know what I mean’, I agree with Gonk, I expect every online site to have its bias, (only fair). Therefore, when considering this or that, or just trying to learn, I use all sites to get a balanced take on the big picture.
I just weight what I learn by, - Who, What & Where.


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