So who's guessing what? First one has got to be an amp. Wonder what it'll have. Could balanced lines be an option? :drool: I have no idea how much power or how many channels. It's specs have got to be through the roof for them to say it like that.

DVI cables? Don't you need a DVI connection? Could the other big item be a new, highly anticipated pre-pro? I think they would have worded the hint differently if it was a receiver, could be wrong though.

I was thinking the same about the first item: amp. Maybe a two-channel amp?

The DVI-D cable is intriguing -- I just tracked down one for my new TV, and there aren't many reasonably-priced ones available. There are a slew of absurdly overpriced ones, but only a few sanely priced.

The real big tease is clearly the last one. Very curious. Whatever gunslingers happen to make it past the show should drop into the forum and let us know what they find out, maybe even grab a couple pictures.

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The DVI cable is what had me thinking Pre/Pro. The letter says item 3 is related to 1 & 2. I don't know if they'd put a connection like that on a receiver unless they are following the market trend of the mainstream brands. And that would most likely be a pretty high end receiver if the went that route. It just seems more fitting to a pre/pro following Outlaw's tradition of value. Unless that connection is a LOT cheaper than we have been led to believe. How is the availability of DVI now compared to say a year ago?

As for the (supposed) amp, I imagine that they tried to do something with the size and weight at least. That seemed to be a pretty universal critique of their other big ones. Two-channel? Maybe. I really don't know where to go, except to grab a towel and wipe up the drool.

I think the first item is going to be a new receiver. Especially since they have discontinued the 1050.

I was thinking that the other one that is due out by the end of the year may be a dvd player. Who knows. If it is, I suspect it will be of the same quality as the rest of thier products. Which of course, is VERY good and affordable.

Jeff Aguilar

They did say you would get a chance to hear a full Outlaw system. So my guess would be speakers...............now that would be sweeeeet

Lasher

I'm in the receiver camp. Its the one thing missing from their line up right now. Although I am sure I will be happy with whatever it is, but heres wishing for a dvd player or the next pre/pro.

[This message has been edited by Jed M (edited May 18, 2004).]

My guess is product #3 is going to be some kind of video switch. It would be cool if it interfaced with Outlaw's pre/pro or reciever so you could upgrade just the video switching/conversion without having to upgrade your whole system. They could make one that was component only, DVI only, or one with a mixture of imputs.

I think it's a given that a replacement for the 1050 is near. It will be interesting what it will be and when can we get it! Just a wag but I'm guessing it will have DVI or HDMI switching. I'm basing this on the new video cables they are selling. Or at the least the new product is some sort of video switching device. Why sell DVI or HDMI cables if none of your products use it? I hope the Outlaws provide plenty of info at the NY show. I have had the 1050 since it first came out. I'm looking at the Panny SR-XA70 but I'm more than happy to wait and see what the new receiver will offer.

[This message has been edited by Andrew jc (edited May 18, 2004).]

From information rationed to me, I would say the first item has to be a receiver. 7.1 channel with a very rich feature set to set it apart from the competition(like the 1050 did). Cost would be similar to the original price of the 1050, slightly higher of course, but not to infringe on their seperates pricing.

IIRC, this (the 750) was Outlaw's first product, not the 1050.

[This message has been edited by JT Clark (edited May 18, 2004).]

Hmmmm....I know a new receiver is coming. Maybe it's the 2nd item then

Try the third (second MAJOR item though). Second item is a DVI cable.

That's what I meant! 2nd MAJOR product, once removed from a distant cousin of the 1050

I am guess (hope) there will be a 1050 replacement. A new pre/pro would be cool also. If I get a pair of free tickets I may be able to post some photos ASAP. If they have a hotspot in the show perhaps I can do it live. Did anyone hear from them about the tickets. I am guessing that since I didn't I will not be getting any.

I would hope that one of the Outlaws would bring their own digital camera and make those pic's available for download here on the site. How bout it Scott your the moderator here? Bring your loyal customers back some pic's to drool over

Lasher

I already heard back that I didn't get the tickets. That would leave me to believe that you weren't one of the lucky ones...

Yeah, I want to say the last one is a new receiver, but it's the first one that is throwing me off. The first one has to be an amp. I keep thinking that they'd make a more competitive pre/pro to go with it. Otherwise I don't know if the new amp would be all that great of an idea. We'll have to see what the amp has though.

I also just thought that maybe it is a new receiver and it shares amplifier technology with the new amp they seem to be releasing. The receiver would more than likely have more basic features (or not as many advanced ones depending on how you lok at it) than the pre/pro and therefore be ready for market sooner, especially with them not having the 1050 anymore. The receiver seems like a huge market for them that they would really be missing out on.

My best guess is still that (1) the first new product almost has to be an amp of some sort, (2) the 1050's replacement has to be high on their priority list, meaning it has to be in there somewhere, and (3) while a successor for the 950 is sure to be in development, the hints make me think they're leaving it under wraps a while longer. I've always assumed that we'll see a new receiver before we see a new pre/pro because it only makes sense for them to have started working on at least the groundwork for a 1050 replacement before a 950 replacement -- which means it's likely to show up first.

The amp could be a digital switching amp (perhaps developed both for a new receiver and for a standalone package) or a high power two-channel amp to finish out their line-up. As for the tie-in between the second major product (presumably a receiver) and the other new goodies, it could be that the receiver's amp modules are related to the new amp. It could also be something particularly unexpected, like a receiver with DVI switching. If it weren't for the need to replace the 1050 in their line-up, I'd assume that the second major product could be a universal DVD player with upscaling and DVI output (wouldn't that be interesting) -- but the only way I see for that to work would be if the first new product is a receiver, and like JT I'm more or less convinced it's an amp.

Or I could be way off on all of these and they're going to unveil a wall plaque of the original Outlaw logo (the one that adorned the front of the good ol' Model 750's) and a fluorescent light that doubles as a backlight for HD displays (edit: like these lights ) as well as an art light for the logo plaque...

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[This message has been edited by gonk (edited May 18, 2004).]

Sweet! I'll take one.

7.1 Ch. receiver, very feature-rich, sleek new industrial design. Probably NOT digital amp technology as I would think they would want to come out with a separate one first. Analog-direct bass-management? I think they will leave that up to the ICBM for now. HD component video switching? Could be. Web accessibility?

I think it will be some type of integrated 2 channel amp, all analog.

Maybe soundhound talked them into some tubes!!

[This message has been edited by Keta (edited May 18, 2004).]

Gonk, going a bit off-topic; what field of Engineering do you work in? I have been in mechanical design for 20 years now ! Kinda wish I'd gone for that piece of paper seeing the gap in the scale of pay and opportunity there is between designers and Engineers IMO!

My degree and PE license are in mechanical engineering. My main focus is HVAC design for commercial buildings, although I also do some fire protection and I can muddle through plumbing when necessary. It's interesting and varied work, but certainly not the most lucrative avenue for an engineer, so I know what you mean about the pay scale. We're a small shop, so I also do my own CAD drafting. When I was coming through college, I interned here in the summers and did plenty of drafting for other designers, both mechanical and electrical. I've even gone so far as to dabble in some 3D drafting in AutoCAD to help lay out particularly nasty mechanical rooms.

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Ahhh....3D! Haven't worked with that since '98 - Pro-E to be exact. I enjoyed 3D immensely, but haven't been able to get back to it since leaving that job for greener pastures I currently use Autocad 2004. The 3D packages out today sure would have come in handy at my previous job - HVAC for industrial applications(air turnover,make-up,de-stratophication units)!
Those sheet metal enclosures, some as large as UPS trucks, can be a bear to get the flat pattern laid out correctly using 2D

oh? you mean like these that I suggested back in December of '02 ...



nothing ever came of my idea, but i'd still love to see one or both of these offered so that i could include them over my theater like these:






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email: pat@sklenar.info ---===--- home page: Grumpy's Lair

[This message has been edited by psklenar (edited May 19, 2004).]

you could put them right over Mickey! lol. ANY new product is exciting.

Someone on hometheaterforum, said one of the new products was a 7.1 receiver due end of the year priced around 1k. Black with silver accents. That's all I've heard so far.

Interestinger and interestinger... That sounds like our 1050 replacement. Why do I think there may be more details on it that we haven't heard yet? And of course there's still one other product announcement out there (which I'm assuming is an amp, or perhaps a wall plaque for Grumpy's Lair).

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Just got back from the show. They announced the RR-2150, the 1070 which is a replacement for the 1050 and a new 7 channel amp. They said they will be release at the end of the year and made it clear that this means at the VERY end of the year. I have some photos of the 1070 and the RR-2150 if they came out on my digital camera. When I can post them I will try. The 1070 has DVI switching and a very simplified look on the front panel. The speaker connections look like a nice upgrade from the 1050's plastic connections. Unfortunately they didn't have any specs on the new stuff on display. Their demo was all based on the LFM-1.

Sweet.

I look forward to the pics. If you need a place to host them, I can offer some space.

DVI switching? That's certainly a new twist. I'll be curious to see if it is showing up elsewhere in the market by year's end -- if the 1070 isn't the first available with it, it will be very close to it. Good year to add it, since DVI is starting to show up on DVD players and cable/satellite boxes in some decent numbers. Any info on the seven-channel amp (since it would be the third in their line-up, assuming the 770 and 7100 are staying in production)?

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It seems that they will be one of the first with the dvi switching. Unfortunately I don't have a single item with a dvi output and probably won't for several years. I wonder if it will upconvert s-video and composite to component also. That would be more useful to me.

when was the 1050 discontinued?

They sold the last units of the 1050's final production run last fall some time.

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Sounds great. I love the idea of DVI switching. Now the waiting game begins...

One question is the 2150 scheduled to be released at the end of the year also?

oh, so only one year between the two models. i guess that is not so bad. strange to discontinue a model without a replacement for it though. the sales must have just totally trailed off (availability of the 950 i guess). maybe this is why you see some companies not making pre/pros and receivers. outlaw has both, but seems to be cycling receiver and then pre/pro as to not hurt the others sales, but still give a newer highly anticipated product. at the prices that they sell their stuff, it is hard not to get seperates when you can do so for less than a lot of top receivers.

7 channel amp? well they have the 7*100 and 7*200 what will this be a monster 7*300-500.

The 1070...if the price is near $1,000 will it be able to compete with the others in its price range?
All these receivers with auto calibration and people swear by it.....

time will only tell now where are the pictures?

I have to admit I didn't pay enough attention to the 7 channel amp. I work 1 block from the show so I was dropping by during lunch. They said the RR-2150 would be out late in the year but not specific. They were more specific that the 1070 would not be ready until the very end of the year as in Dec 31 midnight. No mention of price other than under 1K.

Thanks for the hosting offer Gonk. I have a site I just need to get home (8pm EST) and unload them from my camera. I am guessing someone else will post before I can. I have very low res shots anyway take with a Sony Clie. I have one 2mp shot of the back of the 1070 which may come out OK.

Thanks for the info Desperado. I love having something to look forward to.

I wonder if the new 7 channel amp is just an updated design or if they decided to do something like 150 watts. If they are doing more than 200, hold on to your cowboy hats Outlaws.

How much does it weigh?

I just got done searching the web and I can't find any pic's from the show at all. Anyone else have any luck?

Lasher

I almost got the photos posted but I hit a dead end.

I emailed them from my clie to my website but I can't telnet to my website. I really need to install a ftp or telnet client on my clie.

Gonk...I can forward them to you if you have access to your site now.

BTW: Harmony remote has some great deals at the show. The SST-659 for $100 and the newer SST-688 for $140. The SST-768 is $135 as well. These are great deals if you are going to the show.

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[This message has been edited by desperado (edited May 21, 2004).]

Fire away - gonk "at" prillaman "dot" net - I'll get them uploaded and post a link here.

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Gonk YOU DA MAN!!!

Thanks Gonk and congratulations on 3000 posts!

[This message has been edited by Jed M (edited May 21, 2004).]

Photo's sent to gonk...

OK, kids, here's a fitting 3001st post (thanks for spotting that, JedM):

Outlaw HE2004 show pictures , courtesy of desperado.

I strongly recommend checking out model1070-rear2.jpg , as it gives a clear view of the 1070's inputs and outputs. Summary? Three component video inputs (plus one output), two DVI inputs (plus one output), an RS232 input, 6-channel analog input with analog bass management switch (including what appear to be three positions, which suggests that the 950's "double bass" condition can be defeated entirely on the 1070), three audio inputs (one with an output), four video inputs (one with an output), three coaxial digital inputs, three optical digital inputs, one each optical and coaxial digital outputs, IR in and out, and a 12V trigger.

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A question for desperado: from this picture , it looks like the 1070 has a headphone jack and perhaps even a front A/V input. Am I reading that right?

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I don't think anyone will be saying "ugly" anymore........lol. They both look sweet

Looks great Outlaw. That 2 meg rear shot is nice. 3 component and 2 dvi; that should take care of pretty much everyone for a while.

The 2150 also looks much improved IMO. All around nice work.

Is that 3 settings for Bass Management or are my eyes decieving me?

Lasher

That's the way I'm reading it, Lasher.

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The bottom one looks like it says digital.

The middle one appears to say bypass.
No problem Gonk. It was kinda weird that I noticed. I was reading the post that you were playing referee and for some reason I just wondered how high your post count was so I clicked on your profile and saw you were sitting on a milestone. I promise I didn't have a countdown going.

Any chance it supports i-link for digital audio? Or does it only have an analog interface, for SACD's and DVD-A's?

I forgot to also ask about the back plate: Does it look like it's sourced from Eastech? Does it say made in Malaysia on the back?

I don't see an IEEE 1394 input on the back, so I'd assume they're staying with analog for DVD-Audio and SACD.

I like the optical ports they are using - Panasonic's had them for a while. Keeps the optics protected without requiring you to have a little box of those optical port covers around. Also, those are some pretty stout looking binding posts. I'll be curious to see what the next newsletter says about it.

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Yes, it does say made in Malaysia on the back. My guess would be eastech.

I hope we don't have to wait to long to get some actual specs and features on the 1070.

Shucks, Gonk! I was hoping Outlaw would have the very first budget receiver on the market with a digital interface for DVD-Audio and SACD.

Thanks Jed M! You have better eyes than I!

Or based on past predictions, perhaps a little afterwards?

From here

amp with balanced inputs.

Who called that one?

[This message has been edited by JT Clark (edited May 21, 2004).]

I sure looks like a headphone jack but I am afraid I didn't pay attention to it. I wish I took a high res photo of the front. Sorry I didn't do a better job. It was hard to take these shots because they didn't allow much time to see the new equipment. It was in a room that they were doing demos in. They had the door closed unless you were inside for the demo. I guess we need to hear from others that attended the show.

Either way, desperado, you got some good stuff for us. I suspect we'll see a newsletter with at least a few more details next week.

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What do you suppose you do with an RS-232 serial connection on the 1070?

good call JT!

Two questions for the master prognosticator...

1) Would you think that a seven channel balanced amp would be a foreshadow of a seven channel balanced pre-pro in Outlaw's future?

2) Would the new Outlaw two channel amp also include balanced inputs?

ATI amps have balanced inputs, and I believe they are built at the same facility as Outlaw's amps. For those who have audio gear that use balanced I/O, the inclusion of pre-amps and amps with balanced connections would be very welcome.

yes, i would bet on it.

Me too.

Most likely scenario is firmware updates (such as the DTS-ES fix that the 950 got with a chip swap-out).

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I have been looking at buying a receiver for a while now. For some reason, I never quite found what I was looking for. Either the receivers having the features I wanted were too expensive or those I could buy sounded awful or didn't have what I was looking for.

Then I remembered about Outlaw Audio. I signed in on this forum just in time to get a copy of Soundhound's organ CDs. Then I heard about the new stuff the Outlaws would show at the HE Expo in New York. Unless the published specs for the 1070 are way off or the price is way over a grand, that's what I'm gonna get when it becomes available.

I never intended to spend that much money on a receiver because I always felt that an important part of the price went to the middle man. Living in Canada, I can also attest that the price of receivers here are at least 25-30% higher than in the USA even after factoring in the exchange rate !!! Since buying from the USA was out of the question because the US warranties are not valid in Canada, that would have left me with an over priced receiver.

Having read a whole bunch of posts about Outlaw products in this forum, I now know that this is a good and trusty company. I've never been so eager to see the end of a year. :-)

I can't wait to see the published specs and then order this baby. Boy oh boy, it's gonna be a long 6 months.

Just got home from NYC (went down yesterday morning, got home this evening). Here are some pictures from the Outlaw Audio demo room .

I'm tired. Will answer questions tomorrow.

pat----

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email: pat@sklenar.info ---===--- home page: Grumpy's Lair

Great Pic's Thanks for posting them Pat Did not see the 2ch amp though? Was there one there?

Lasher

[This message has been edited by Lasher (edited May 22, 2004).]

Is the 1070 blue?

In this picture from Gonk it looks blue: http://www.prillaman.net/outlaw_he2004/model1070-front.jpg

But in this picture from Pat it looks black: http://www.sklenar.info/images/outlaw/m_PICT0631.jpg

Lasher,

Nope, I didn't see a two channel amp. Sorry.


Will,

The 1070 is matte black, just like all of the non-"RR" units.

pat----

With regards to the color, don't forget we are looking at protype models, not the final production piece.

Color's hard to judge since lighting is going to have a big effect (speaking as the son of a metalsmith with a bachelor's in photography). The color on pat's pics looks to be more accurate.

The front inputs on the 1070 are interesting - I thought that's what I was seeing on desperado's pics. Dolby Headphone, Pro Logic IIx, DTS-ES, DTS-96/24 are all listed... Pretty comprehensive collection.

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the new amp is 300watts per channel and has 2 plugs which need a dedicated 15 amp line each

i'm not sure about the plugs and switches, but when i asked if it (the 790) would work on a single dedicated 20A outlet, the answer was yes.

pat----

Thanks for the new pics Pat. They really bring out the colors. The sculptured look of the RR2150 is really artistic. I don't know if it would match my decor, but I give them a lot of credit for doing something outside the box. The 1070 looks improved too. I thought the buttons may have been green from the first pics. That is something I could easily blend into my home.

Regardless of what the rack's specifications are, would anybody else besides me be extremely apprehensive about double stacking two amps on their top shelf? Makes me nervous just looking at it, but I did gain a new level of respect for their racks.

Gonk,


Based on your pictures, the 1070 looks blue. But you're saying that's not as accurate as Pat's pictures which shows the 1070 as being, really, black. If so, the wonders of photography never cease to amaze!

Will, trust me that metal can often photograph inaccurately. I've got a picture somewhere of a fine silver plaque that looks green (fitting for this forum ) because of nearby grass. Looking at desperado's pics and Pat's pics, it is clear that the overall color balance in Pat's shots is closer to true.

I'm surprised no one else has made mention of the absence of green power buttons...

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I did in NYC & eyes just rolled.

btw, I wrote and asked about the RS232 (believe it or not, I didn't notice that until I was working on the photos last night) and Peter wrote back this morning to say that it IS for upgrade purposes.

pat----

Its funny you say that Gonk. After I got done writing my opinion of the 2150 and 1070 in my last post, I wrote that I liked the look of the new amp without the green power button, but then I decided to erase it right before I posted because I didn't want to go down that road again.

[This message has been edited by Jed M (edited May 23, 2004).]

I went to the show on Friday and could have spent a lot more time. So much to wander around and see/hear. However as this is the home of Outlaw, I wanted to add only a couple of things to what has already been reported. The feature was the LFM and it completely blew me away (and many others I heard talking through the halls as well). Really an amazing sub and even more so for the price.

The 2150 completely caught my attention (and the part of me that really wants stuff) It is truly something to see. I can assume the sound will be there as well. It stands out in a field of plain vanilla looking components. It would be a great beginning to a seperate 2 channel system. Also, as for the queries about color, I am remebering the non silver details as blue on the 2150.

Finally, there were only three or four rooms that had lines waiting to get inside. No matter when my travels brought me back by the Outlaw room, the line was always there. In a show packed with possible stops, this made me feel great about Outlaw.
As Peter told me when I stopped to say how much I loved the components (he had asked who in the room were owners and three of us all had 950/770), "Tell your friends about us we're only a small company".
Yeah I said but you're growing in all the right ways.

Great company, knowledgable community of Outlaws and a pleasure to be a part of.

Does Peter still run another larger audio company, besides Outlaw?

I don't know but the speakers used in the room were Vifas, not ATs.

I'm 99.99% sure that he is still in charge of Atlantic Technologies as well.

As for the Vifa's ... they're not available in North America at this time. They did sound pretty nice. But as another poster wrote (I think it was on this forum), the real goal of the demo's they were running was to show off the LFM-1.

pat----

Pat thanks for posting the pictures of the 1070. It should be an interesting 6 months around here. Anyone know why Outlaw is being hammered in the other forums?

To be honest, damned if I know. Ever since they released the original Model 1050 over four years ago they've tended to attract a very polarized response ...

There are some people who are appalled that a company would cut out the local a/v retailer - During the beta and release of the Model 950, there was at least one rep from a competitor who sold only via the retail channel who was bad mouthing the Outlaws to no end. Of course, he did so under an pseudonym, but he was recognized by the Outlaws.

There are some who, for some unknown reason, have had a personality clash with the Outlaws. There are some who refuse to accept the Outlaws as the designers of their own equipment and believe them to be nothing more than re-badge artists. There are some who have spent a lot more than what Outlaw charges for their equipment who can't accept that someone else could produce a product that sounds as good, or nearly so, for so much less than they paid. etc etc etc.


pat----

I know what you mean about the Outlaw Bashers. I started the thread over at AVS because I believed they would want to see the pic's. Instead of getting feedback the bashers came out in force(and they go out of their way to get there first). It really is sad to think that new comers to that forum will get such a bad impression of Outlaw.

Lasher

The dark side can have a strong influence over the weak-minded! Lol! Seriously, if people want to spend there money on what they feel fits there needs, aint nothin' gonna stop'em! I deal with this regularly at my part time gig with Home Depot. People will ask my opinion about what products to use for a specific job and there will always be a percentage who will do it the cheap/get it done for as little as possible route. It is SCARY the ideas some people have about how to do things. That being said, if I could swing a 1070, those rounded edges would match my Ascend 170's to a tee!

The thread I started at HTF has gone pretty well but relatively unnoticed. I was impressed that it brought Razvan out of the woodwork. That guy never ceases to amaze me.

As far as why Outlaw has a negative feel on other forums, I'm not real sure. I can say that Outlaw does seem to have pretty fierce loyalty that can be taken to a fault. I think some Outlaws take criticism of the products personally, when its obviously not. The same devoted following has plagued Rocket speakers on AVS also. Why anybody would read AVS unless they are looking for a projector is beyond me. A bunch of fanboys fighting all day, not to mention its run like a frickin prison. But that's off topic.

Personally I can't wait to find out more about this receiver (1070). I really like the looks.


[This message has been edited by Jed M (edited May 24, 2004).]

The Outlaws reached out to masses at the Home Entertainment Show. The tempest in the A/V forums seemed to matter little as erstwhile Peter relentlessly belted out the words "quality and value" to all those who would brave the lines to see and hear the Outlaw sound and vision, hour after hour, day after day. I don't know where they get the juice to do it.
They almost made the walls fall down. (As matter of fact in one of Peters rare moments of repose, he leaned over and almost knocked the scaffolding that supported their projector down. Scott, ever the watchdog discreetly screamed "PETER!!!")

Good show. Good product. I proudly tip my new Outlaw cap to them and look forward to
their bountiful future.

PS: Arica9 TKR

I'm guessing it'll be priced around $700 to be competitive with the $1000 MSRP gang [H/K AVR630, Denon 3805, Onkyo TXNR801, Marantz SR-7400, Yamaha RXV-2400 & NAD T753]. While I'm at it I'll also predict a sweet deal if packaged with the LFM-1, say $1149.

wow! i went and looked at that old thread you found and linked to it ... i guess i'd tried to forget about how nasty some of the exchanges had gotten back then. on the other hand ... i'm actually sort of impressed at my writing ... looking back on my words so many years later, either i write/present far better than i think i do, or someone else wrote all that stuff with my name on it!

pat----


[This message has been edited by psklenar (edited May 26, 2004).]

I've enjoyed seeing the pictures and reading the thoughts and responses in this forum by all who post here. I'm trying to get a handle on the new Outlaw gear to be offered, but one thing has me puzzled. Where is the "official" info from Outlaw? I know that these products are not yet finalized, but come on, give us some high quality photos and some detailed info. We understand that specifications are subject to change before production starts, but it certainly would be nice to have more detail. How about it?

They did that when the 950 was due to be released and got hammered for it. The original release date was pushed back and many eager consumers took offense. The Outlaws have learned a hard lesson on giving out too much early info. Let's just give'em the benefit of the doubt!

The sad thing is they only got really hammered by 3 or 4 people. Reading that thread Pat is referring to makes me shake my head at the immaturity of the people who just couldn't wait. If I would have replied I know I wouldn't have been able to keep my composure like Pat did.

I think Outlaw could release more information as long as they don't hint at release dates like they did during the 950 debacle. Just tell us, "its coming and if you can't wait there are other products on the market." As much as I love Outlaw, in all fairness they did do a good job in their newsletters of trying to persuade you to not buy anything else and just wait because the 950 was just around the corner. That I believe was the heart of most peoples beef with Outlaw. If they just cut that out of the mix I don't see how giving us info is harmful.

[This message has been edited by Jed M (edited May 26, 2004).]

We will probably see a newsletter at some point summarizing what they were showing (model number, basic features). As cadboy has said, however, Outlaw will in all likelihood leave this information intentionally general to avoid the feeding frenzy of interest (and subsequent product bashing) that will result. Once they have some pre-production or beta production units in hand and feel that they're down to final tweaking and maunfacturing ramp-up, they'll start offering more details.

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Jed,

actually, at the time, there were closer to a dozen folks on several forums (5 that i can recall) who seemed to have made it their life's ambition to slap down any positive comments about Outlaw.




and that was one of the more civil threads! there were at least two whole threads that i can recall that were actually deleted. one on each of the two "big" forums.




i'm not so sure i kept it all that well all the time back then ... a lot of the attacks were quite personal. but i tried. thanks for noticing. maybe i did better than i thought i had.

pat----

Maybe I'm wrong, but the ability for anyone to post anonymously has got to be the number one reason why some threads / posts are less than civil.

Personally, and again this is just my opinion, I feel that the courage of your convictions should be backed-up by the courage to use your real name. Anyone who posts in an uncivilized manner using anything but, is simply a coward.

Jeff Mackwood

"I feel that the courage of your convictions should be backed-up by the courage to use your real name. Anyone who posts in an uncivilized manner using anything but, is simply a coward."


Jeff, amen to that. I believe that there is too much money at stake in the retail world of audio and when companies like Outlaw bypass the retail, the retail folks feel threatened. In this case, the quality of the product is not the issue, just the money.


Tom G


[This message has been edited by musiciseverything (edited May 26, 2004).]

Well, they are, kind of. You can get kit speakers from Madisound that use Vifa drivers. I did and I like them a lot.

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[This message has been edited by Spiker (edited May 26, 2004).]

Are you speaking of audio people? I mean like the Outlaws such as Scott or other manufacturers, or everybody? I like being somewhat anonymous and let some people know more as I get to know them better. I used to post here under my real name, but I just wasn't comfortable with it. I switched and felt much better. Anyone remember the other one?

Keyser Soze?

JT,

I was very careful in my choice of words.

I respect that people wish to remain anonymous. However I don't respect when they hide behind it while behaving in a disrespectful manner.

As I have posted previously, I'm all for good healthy debate and disagreement - anonymous or otherwise. But if someone feels so strongly about a point that they must resort to hurling insults to try to make it, unless they shed their cloak of anonymity while doing so, I would consider them a coward to their convictions.

That's how I feel in my daily life - and I see no reason why I should feel any different when I'm in a forum such as this.

But I certainly meant no disrespect to anyone who simply wants to remain anonymous.

Jeff Mackwood

i am interested to see if the outlaws put multiroom in the 1070 seeing as they asked us to help product plan. the results from that were mixed i guess, with a slight unforunate edge to dont have it... does anyone know?

that is a very good movie, especially the first time you see it. made me start to like kevin spacey.

how would one shed their cloak of anonymity? by typing their name at the end of their posts? posting their address, telephone number, and social security number?

ill start.

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Exactly. I too can't stand the cowards who throw nasty insults around because they think they can't be seen.

an interesting debate you two are having. i say interesting because one of the two forums where things got the most out of hand (both during the 1050 beta & release and later during the 950 beta & release) is a forum that requires a "real" name.

pat----

Was that on this forum? I don't remember that. I wasn't here for the 1050 beta & release, but I was here for the 950. Was that just for the beta testers or for everyone involved in the discussions?

JT,

no, the worst of the "attack threads" were primarily over on the two largest AV forums, one of which requires a "real name" for your screen name.

pat----

Judging from the pictures of the rear panel, I would guess that they decided not to include it.

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The point that Jeff is making is quite true -- the ability to hide behind a keyboard and modem brings out the worst in a lot of people. Even when they use their real names (as is the case on HTF), people can use the facelessness of the internet to say things and act in a manner that would not happen face to face.

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well i think that is part of the fun, yes i would be a little more polite in person, however i woudl still be thinking what i am saying. and just word it a little more nicely. everyone should appreciate honesty.