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#10996 - 02/18/03 10:32 PM Re: A very interesting comparason
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will the real bob linds please stand up.
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#10997 - 02/18/03 11:28 PM Re: A very interesting comparason
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That used to mean something in the 80s to computer game fans
What was your expertise in that time. Since you mentioned thought I would ask? (a non-80's computer game fan so cuse my lack of)

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#10998 - 02/18/03 11:57 PM Re: A very interesting comparason
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by soundhound:

The mastering engineer was given strict instructions by me to do nothing to these tracks other than encode them into Dolby Digital for the DVD.
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my experience with mastering engineers is that unless you stand there the whole time...with a gun....he ain't gonna hear one word of such instructions.

still, the direct comparison of your master mix vs the DD 'finished' product underscores why i've always liked dts better. more information = better sound.

besides, as i've said many times before, i'm no fan of dolby labs.
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#10999 - 02/19/03 12:48 AM Re: A very interesting comparason
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I used to write columns about interactive entertainment for A+ Magazine and OMNI Magazine. I was also Editor-in-Chief of a couple of computer magazines.

Left journalism and became a creative director/designer in videogames for stuff like Earthsiege, Betrayal at Krondor, Front Page Sports, Mask of Zorro and, later, (non-game) Disney Magic Artist.

But it's been so slow lately, I guess I should have stayed in journalism.

A lot of time to listen to my 950 though...

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#11000 - 02/19/03 02:26 AM Re: A very interesting comparason
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Journalism …Editor-in-Chief ……I have to get a better spell-ck.

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#11001 - 02/19/03 02:50 AM Re: A very interesting comparason
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Lena:

Leave the spell checker at home. All the copy editors I ever worked with told me I was one of the few writers they edited that could actually spell correctly.

NOT being able to spell is almost a sign of writing professionalism.

PS -- I did my little "Why Can't The English" parody just for you. I thought the Eliza schtick was great.

[This message has been edited by boblinds (edited February 19, 2003).]

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#11002 - 02/19/03 11:53 AM Re: A very interesting comparason
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Quote:
more information = better sound


The efficiency of the codec will have a big role in that, of course. Take the example of a 256 kbps mp3 compared to uncompressed 16 bit PCM at the same or a bit higher, or even double bit rate.

IMO Dolby Labs has worked a small miracle given the bandwidth they were allowed to occupy in order to become the standard encoder. Ever wonder what DTS would sound like at DD bitrates? I heard DTS wasn't able to even get there and so DD won almost by default. Dunno if it's true.

[This message has been edited by charlie (edited February 19, 2003).]
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#11003 - 02/19/03 12:24 PM Re: A very interesting comparason
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PS -- I did my little "Why Can't The English" parody just for you. I thought the Eliza schtick was great.

I am honored!. When I read what I was missing, it felt appropriate to toss slippers.
Wish Outlaw had time to come up with a little side job of a DVD disc media, -backwards compatible to current lasers, which would hold SH’s 24 bits (uncompressed) per track plus the video.
…if I can conceive it, simple for the them to come up with it.!

“Though standalone DVD Video promises clearer images and sound, a convenient CD-sized design, and added features like subtitle language options, the new format faces numerous hurdles including lack of available titles, cost, the need to add expensive home theater components, and the lack of recording capability, according to the study. Therefore DVD Video is not a compelling replacement for a VCR.”
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
November 5, 1997

Can’t wait for that next…”not compelling replacement”. !

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#11004 - 02/19/03 12:32 PM Re: A very interesting comparason
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Quote:
Originally posted by Smart Little Lena:....which would hold SH’s 24 bits (uncompressed) [/B]


DVD as it stands now would actually do it - you just wouldn't have room for much video. The uncompressed data rate is around 6.9 Megabits per second, which would fit in the 10 Megabit capability of current DVD.



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#11005 - 02/19/03 06:03 PM Re: A very interesting comparason
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on the subject of dolby vs speilberg:

DD: DTS:
448 kbps 1.5 mbps (3.35 times)

DD EX matrixed DTS ES discrete
surround back ch surround back ch

no audio cd DTS CD

DD/Meridian (dvd-a) DTS CD plays on std
forces consumer dvd player
to buy new hdwe.

DD concert video DTS concert video
too much compression hell freezes over

16-20 bit-48k 16-24bit-48/96k

if it weren't for dts and sacd, i shudder to think how long it would be before we saw any improvement over ac-3.
just one man's opinion.
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