1050 and dts

ok,came across it again and it hasn't been a big deal but i would still like to use it.

i can not get my 1050 to recognize a DTS signal.

RCA dvd with toslink out,it is dts capable,configured for dts in the menu.
the display on the 1050 goes from 'digital' to 'pro-logic' red arrow next to 'pcm' and no sound.
if i switch back to 'dolby digital' in the dvd menu,all is fine.
the dvd's i've tried this with are labeled as dts.
checked the 1050 manual and it said the 1050 will pick 'the better signal' when multiple signals are present.
i don't even really know that i will like dts over dd but i would at least like to check it out since i should be capable.

what am i doin' wrong(besides not owning a 950)?

Have you checked your DVD player to make sure it is set to output DTS? What you are experiencing sounds exactly what happened to me when I first got my 1050 - my DVD player's default setting was to not pass a bitstream DTS signal, and I had to change it to bitstream for DTS in order to get any signal at all output from the player.

as far as the menu in the dvd goes,yes it is set.
i set it up in the actual disk menu then set up the players menu (more of a trouble-shoot type thing to retrace my steps) for dts.
still no sound

What's the model number on the DVD player? Does the player's menu have DTS output set to bitstream rather than PCM?

rc5220p rca dvd player/dd,dts digital out

optical is the only digital out.no 5.1 out

i'm gonna try to find the manual,i would like to think everything is set up correctly,but i'm not perfect

boy, i've found some crappy reviews on this unit,but for the most part i've had minimal problems,biggest was no cd-r's but my cal doesn't do cd-r either.can't find the manual and rca's site is of no help(big surprise!)

I coudn't find any signs of a manual for it either. I'll borrow an example from a Panasonic plaer, though - it's a pretty typical setting option, and often defaults such that DTS won't work. Under Audio, there should be an option for DTS digital audio that offers either bitstream or PCM. You don't want PCM, which it may have defaulted to. You do want bitstream, which passes the DTS signal with no changes. This setting is defaulted to PCM on many players to prevent DTS signals being passed through the digital output to receivers that do not support DTS (which was much more common four or five years ago, but pretty darn rare today).

thanks for the help gonk,but to no avail.
i have not found any settings for bitstream or pcm
i have seen that pcm setting on a different disk,it seems like the dvd menu changes with the disk and available options,but why have an option and not be able to access it?
now that i've played with it today maybe now i'll lose sleep over it.
i've heard rca's assistance sucks, but i think they'll get a phone call tommorrow!

I think we may be talking about different menus, since the behavior you are experiencing is so similar to what I ran into before. The DVD menu (accessed from "menu" or "top menu" buttons on the remote) is part of the disc, and would not include the kind of setting I'm talking about. Separate from that menu, the player should have a setup menu (possibly labeled "setup" on the remote, and in some cases only accessible when there's no disc in the player - it depends on the manufacturer) that allows you to set things like screen size (4:3 or 16:9), audio outputs, and a lot of other options that vary from player to player.

On current RCA players (at least the DRC233N ), the player menu appears when there is no disc in the player or when you hit STOP with a disc in. The DRC233N does not include any options along these lines, which should indicate that DTS is always passed via bitstream. It does have an option for virtual surround, which I would recommend disabling if it is present. The player you have is apparently a model year or two older than the 233N, so the menu options are probably different (getting into the menu may also be different).

gonk,you are once again the man!

popped the dvd tray open,hit menu,there's a whole list of setup options listed.one was audio and there was pcm,dd,dts
set it on dts ready to go as soon as my fionna cd is done i'll check it out.
thanks buddy!i'll let you know how it goes.(i know it will be fine now,call it a hunch!)

btw,seen any electrons nose diving off the fan lately?(watch closely)

thanks again,gonk.

yep,couldn't wait!paused the cd and checked out the dvd.
first time i've ever seen a DTS icon on my 1050!
excellent!!i'll watch the movie later.

did anybody else see that?

i think gonk just took a bow!

- Success! Very cool.

No electron swan dives lately, but I'm keeping my eyes open...

and i think this took less than 5 hours.
where else can you get support like this?
even different manufacturers type support!!!

there will be a dive later tonight!

so far i really like dts,but i did have to adjust the delay,to zero.sounded like my sound room was a tin can!

perching on the edge of the fan blade ....

another question: if my dvd player is set for dts will it decode 5.1 if that is all that is available,or will i have to go back to the dvd menu to switch back,it's late and i won't have a chance till tomorrow to check!

The player menu settings simply allow the player to pass the raw data stream from the disc to the receiver - with no alteration to the signal by the player. The 1050 does the decoding, and it determines what decoding is required based on the format of the track on the disc.

I have a question for gonk or anyone more familiar with the 1050 than I am. I have been trying unsuccessfully to get LOTR's to play in 6.1 DTS mode. My unit plays perfectly in 5.1 DTS for this movie but after selecting 6.1 DTS in the movie menu the 1050 still will not light up the rear center channel. Is this a limitation of my cd player or the 1050?

The 1050's surround back channel processing is a proprietary software from Zoran that works with Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtracks but not DTS (due to the greater processing requirements of decoding DTS, I believe). For this reason, the 1050 will only decode DTS-ES tracks as DTS 5.1. Sorry.

As a somewhat unrelated aside, the Zoran processing (6.1 Surround) can be enabled with 5.1 analog sources to yield 6.1 surround. This method can be used to achieve 6.1 from DTS soundtracks (or Dolby Digital 5.1, DVD-Audio, or SACD, for that matter) decoded by a DVD player's internal decoder and passed via analog connections to the 1050.

here's a story:shortly after i got my 1050 i bought an IRON MAIDEN concert on dvd.i never had dd5.1 so i thought it would be really cool.well,it wasn't.the sound absolutely sucked,in ALL formats.(constant dropouts)i called the manager(who i knew) and he told me 'yeah,the sound sucks on that'(then why did he sell it to me?)and i could get 1/2 my purchase price in store credit(i paid $40),i marked it as a loss and have never bought from that store again!
well,going through my dvds today i saw it was in DTS also.so why not try it again,it's been gathering dust since i bought it.
well,the sound is PERFECT!!!the guy who mastered the DTS was a genius!it sounds like an outdoor concert,which it is.the rears have very little content besides the crowd and the front stage is in your face like 20 years ago when i saw MAIDEN.
(and no dropouts)

so the point of this story is GONK is so good he made my day again today,and i haven't even talked to him.

now when i rent dvds i'll have to be sure to check for DTS!(but i'm still not going to buy from that store)

I thought from many older posts on this board that there were no advantages to using DTS over DD5.1 (assuming that both items came from the same master).

Since I have added a sixth speaker, I have had a lot of success with the 1050 using the 6.1 mode and abosolutely no dropouts. That includes all of the LOTR Extended Additions and numerous other movies that had problems.

well,i can't be sure but maybe this disk was set up with DTS in mind because i listened in DD,pro-logic(2 different systems),stereo(2 different systems) all sounding like crap,and the tech. term may not be 'dropout' but that's what i associated it with but it seemed to happen when they moved around on stage and maybe someone was trying to pan the signals to make it sound like they moved around,and also the manager guy knew it sounded bad.
don't know,maybe when i get a chance to sit down and crank it up i'll hear it again(hope not),but just doing a casual listen at lower volume i couldn't pick up on it.
i'll update after the next 'jam session'

73Bruin, don't go by the posts, have you listened to LOTR's in 5.1 DTS -vs- 6.1 non-DTS? The separation and the surround effects are tremendously enhanced on the DTS soundtracks. I prefer listening to movies in the DTS formats without the rear center engaged than in 6.1 non-DTS with the rear center. I'm now in the market for a new DVD player that has the analog connections like Gonk suggested. I hope for future upgrades of the 1050 they include a firewire/usb port on the unit to enable EPROM software upgrades to allow for the possiblity for audio changes in the marketplace. In the spirit of the outlaw, has anyone tried to download the software from the Zoran chip or otherwise reassemble the software, upgrade and or correct this deficiency within the 1050?

just recieved my 1050 from a nice guy in new hampshire. so far great! BUT had the same problem as painttoad. old sony with digital cable out. will have to dig for the manual. onscreen menu is in greek. hopefully same fix. did spend $98 on a toshiba universal 4960. be here next week. figured id try the new formats for that kind of money. supposedly doesnt do anything great but more importantly nothing really bad. gonk question. show my newbeness. if i connect the new player with 5.1 analog and optical depending on whats playing will the 1050 choose or will the 5.1 hookup override thanks guys.

With both connected, the DVD input will use the optical - you'll need to select the 5.1 channel direct input (labeled "6CH" on the remote) for DVD-Audio and SACD.

let me clarify my question a little bit. with a player of this sort will i always have to let it do the processing or with "normal" digital soundtracks will it let the 1050 handle it? thanks again.

thanks gonk. didnt see your reply. will let u know .